https://wiki.rpg.net/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Talk%3AHeart-Breaking_Blade_StyleTalk:Heart-Breaking Blade Style - Revision history2026-07-31T01:13:41ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.43.0https://wiki.rpg.net/index.php?title=Talk:Heart-Breaking_Blade_Style&diff=104863&oldid=prev220.244.32.125 at 02:54, 7 March 20092009-03-07T02:54:45Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''Probably a good idea if you think that trick is too strong. However, Essence 4 effects tend to be a bit more impressive than "I hit you for a lot of damage". I'd just bump the mote cost up <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">to 10m 1w</del>.''</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''Probably a good idea if you think that trick is too strong. However, Essence 4 effects tend to be a bit more impressive than "I hit you for a lot of damage". I'd just bump the mote cost up.''</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Does this charm merely remove the mote costs from the affected charms, or does it also cause them to not count as charms? Removing the mote cost is fine on its own, but without having them also count as not-charms, a practitioner must still use their charm for the action on the activation of the ability, or combo it with other charms. I'm just looking to clarify the intent of the form.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Does this charm merely remove the mote costs from the affected charms, or does it also cause them to not count as charms? Removing the mote cost is fine on its own, but without having them also count as not-charms, a practitioner must still use their charm for the action on the activation of the ability, or combo it with other charms. I'm just looking to clarify the intent of the form.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Against people without active Agonizing Melody it's on the same level as Essence Venom Strike (Ess 3, MA 5), but against a target with active Agonizing Melody it is ''significantly'' more powerful. Considering the possible combo mentioned above it would make sense to set this Charm at Essence 4. That would also work on the visual/conceptual symmetry level - after a number of Ess 3 Charms, the master technique should not just be more powerful but also have higher prerequisites. Just one opinion ...</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Against people without active Agonizing Melody it's on the same level as Essence Venom Strike (Ess 3, MA 5), but against a target with active Agonizing Melody it is ''significantly'' more powerful. Considering the possible combo mentioned above it would make sense to set this Charm at Essence 4. That would also work on the visual/conceptual symmetry level - after a number of Ess 3 Charms, the master technique should not just be more powerful but also have higher prerequisites. Just one opinion ...</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''That function does do horrible things to people with no PD or ability to ignore crippling effects - if you want to tone down the style's ability to make entire non-optimized sworn brotherhoods explode into giblets as part of a synchronized dance move, you probably want to make it into a Rain of Feathered Death style multiplicative effect against a single target (still blockable with one PD), or a traditional ExAct as a last resort, since that makes it too good 1v1. :)''</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''That function does do horrible things to people with no PD or ability to ignore crippling effects - if you want to tone down the style's ability to make entire non-optimized sworn brotherhoods explode into giblets as part of a synchronized dance move, you probably want to make it into a Rain of Feathered Death style multiplicative effect against a single target (still blockable with one PD), or a traditional ExAct as a last resort, since that makes it too good 1v1. :)''</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Against people without active Agonizing Melody it's on the same level as Essence Venom Strike (Ess 3, MA 5), but against a target with active Agonizing Melody it is ''significantly'' more powerful. Considering the possible combo mentioned above it would make sense to set this Charm at Essence 4. That would also work on the visual/conceptual symmetry level - after a number of Ess 3 Charms, the master technique should not just be more powerful but also have higher prerequisites. Just one opinion ...</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Does this charm merely remove the mote costs from the affected charms, or does it also cause them to not count as charms? Removing the mote cost is fine on its own, but without having them also count as not-charms, a practitioner must still use their charm for the action on the activation of the ability, or combo it with other charms. I'm just looking to clarify the intent of the form.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Does this charm merely remove the mote costs from the affected charms, or does it also cause them to not count as charms? Removing the mote cost is fine on its own, but without having them also count as not-charms, a practitioner must still use their charm for the action on the activation of the ability, or combo it with other charms. I'm just looking to clarify the intent of the form.</div></td></tr>
</table>Dakkarethhttps://wiki.rpg.net/index.php?title=Talk:Heart-Breaking_Blade_Style&diff=104758&oldid=prev220.244.32.125 at 00:21, 6 March 20092009-03-06T00:21:56Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''That function does do horrible things to people with no PD or ability to ignore crippling effects - if you want to tone down the style's ability to make entire non-optimized sworn brotherhoods explode into giblets as part of a synchronized dance move, you probably want to make it into a Rain of Feathered Death style multiplicative effect against a single target<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, </del>still blockable with one PD. :)''</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''That function does do horrible things to people with no PD or ability to ignore crippling effects - if you want to tone down the style's ability to make entire non-optimized sworn brotherhoods explode into giblets as part of a synchronized dance move, you probably want to make it into a Rain of Feathered Death style multiplicative effect against a single target <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">(</ins>still blockable with one PD<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">), or a traditional ExAct as a last resort, since that makes it too good 1v1</ins>. :)''</div></td></tr>
</table>220.244.32.125https://wiki.rpg.net/index.php?title=Talk:Heart-Breaking_Blade_Style&diff=104757&oldid=prev220.244.32.125 at 00:17, 6 March 20092009-03-06T00:17:56Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''It's Supplemental for a reason, primarily, to set up the echo combo. If you turn it into a traditional ExAct, the mote cost quickly turns ridiculous and renders the echo combo impractical to use, as well as making the style too effective against single targets due to ExAct/basic attack spam. It also spoils the larger-scale orchestration feel, as the thing is set up specifically to reward spreading Melody tags around against weaker opponents with impressive fireworks upon hitting the kill button, while still being pathetic at hammering through Celestial PDs - trying to flurry multiple opponents with it is really silly.''</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''It's Supplemental for a reason, primarily, to set up the echo combo. If you turn it into a traditional ExAct, the mote cost quickly turns ridiculous and renders the echo combo impractical to use, as well as making the style too effective against single targets due to ExAct/basic attack spam. It also spoils the larger-scale orchestration feel, as the thing is set up specifically to reward spreading Melody tags around against weaker opponents with impressive fireworks upon hitting the kill button, while still being pathetic at hammering through Celestial PDs - trying to flurry multiple opponents with it is really silly.''</div></td></tr>
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</table>220.244.32.125https://wiki.rpg.net/index.php?title=Talk:Heart-Breaking_Blade_Style&diff=104756&oldid=prev220.244.32.125 at 00:12, 6 March 20092009-03-06T00:12:07Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''Mechanically, what it's doing is supplementing a Martial Arts action and replacing the weapon stats present on that action (whatever they may be) with its own array. As Supplemental Charms are declared after the action but before calculating stats and rolling, I determined it to be best placed there, as I want it to cost your charm action to use. You could turn it into a Reflexive, Scenelong charm with spending motes as a non-charm action that did that quite easily, though the issue there would be the non-charm action, which <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">I don't want to see </del>at MA 2 Essence 2.''</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''Mechanically, what it's doing is supplementing a Martial Arts action and replacing the weapon stats present on that action (whatever they may be) with its own array. As Supplemental Charms are declared after the action but before calculating stats and rolling, I determined it to be best placed there, as I want it to cost your charm action to use. You could turn it into a Reflexive, Scenelong charm with spending motes as a non-charm action that did that quite easily, though the issue there would be the non-charm action, which <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">is pretty inappropriate </ins>at MA 2 Essence 2.''</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Does this charm merely remove the mote costs from the affected charms, or does it also cause them to not count as charms? Removing the mote cost is fine on its own, but without having them also count as not-charms, a <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">practicioner </del>must still use their charm for the action on the activation of the ability, or combo it with other charms. I'm just looking to clarify the intent of the form.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Does this charm merely remove the mote costs from the affected charms, or does it also cause them to not count as charms? Removing the mote cost is fine on its own, but without having them also count as not-charms, a <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">practitioner </ins>must still use their charm for the action on the activation of the ability, or combo it with other charms. I'm just looking to clarify the intent of the form.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''Simply removes the mote cost. You're going to combo anyway (or at least I hope so, since you want Single Note, Melody, Refrain and Silence together, at least, with your defensive and Excellency selection present as well), the effect simply mitigates mote drain. You could make <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">it a </del>non-charm <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">action </del>if you like, this wouldn't break the game<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, though if you wanted to make it work that way, you'd be better off changing Single Note of Pain as discussed above</del>.''</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''Simply removes the mote cost. You're going to combo anyway (or at least I hope so, since you want Single Note, Melody, Refrain and Silence together, at least, with your defensive and Excellency selection present as well), the effect simply mitigates mote drain. You could make <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">them </ins>non-charm <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">actions </ins>if you like, this wouldn't break the game <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">- save the user some Combo XP</ins>.''</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>This seems like it should be Type: Extra Action</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>This seems like it should be Type: Extra Action</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''It's Supplemental for a reason, primarily, to set up the echo combo. If you turn it into a traditional ExAct, the mote cost quickly turns ridiculous and renders the echo combo impractical to use, as well as making the style too effective against single targets due to ExAct/basic attack spam. It also spoils the larger-scale orchestration feel, as the thing is set up specifically to reward spreading Melody tags around against weaker opponents <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">before punching </del>the kill button <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">with impressive fireworks</del>, while still being pathetic at hammering through Celestial PDs - trying to flurry multiple opponents with it is really silly.''</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''It's Supplemental for a reason, primarily, to set up the echo combo. If you turn it into a traditional ExAct, the mote cost quickly turns ridiculous and renders the echo combo impractical to use, as well as making the style too effective against single targets due to ExAct/basic attack spam. It also spoils the larger-scale orchestration feel, as the thing is set up specifically to reward spreading Melody tags around against weaker opponents <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">with impressive fireworks upon hitting </ins>the kill button, while still being pathetic at hammering through Celestial PDs - trying to flurry multiple opponents with it is really silly.''</div></td></tr>
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