Talk:MTH:Superpowers - Revision history

174.140.73.217: Simplified System Eloquence

2017-04-26T03:24:57Z

Simplified System Eloquence

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	==System Eloquence==		==System Eloquence==
	~~"I wrote Reach for~~ a ~~specific reason~~, ~~and~~ it ~~duplicates one of Plasticity's effects~~.~~... one single effect. Should I remove Force Bolt because Elemental Anima [Now Elemental Mastery] has~~ the ~~Blast technique?"~~		In general, if you are looking to add a new power, check to see if it exists under another name. Half the time it does. If you see the power having a broader application, edit the existing power rather than add one. Fewer entries make the wiki more navigable.
	~~Well, kind of, yes~~. If a power ~~exists that is just~~ a ~~more limited version of another power~~, ~~then that power should be removed and~~ the ~~more limited version added as a Weakness for another~~ power. ~~The powers with multiple techniques are, in general, in need of simplification. Since a version of Force Bolt exists for multiple powers, it's probably best to list~~ the ~~technique as something like 'see force bolt'. There are other examples of duplication like this that need to be addressed~~.

	~~"It's far better to have too much material on this wiki~~ than the ~~bare minimum for~~ it ~~to function."~~		If the power has a completely different system than the one you feel it should have, try discussing the change with someone else prior to editing it, and check the discussion page for information first.
	~~There has been significant discussion in~~ the ~~RPG Net community~~ to ~~the contrary. In keeping with their 'System Eloquence' guideline~~, and ~~White Wolf's /Onyx Path's own developmental trend, rules' edits by our group look to widen existing rules to encompass additions when possible, as a preference over adding new entries. This keeps~~ the ~~wiki from being unnavigable and lowers RPG Nets' over-all data burden. New entries are justified when they will not fit under other areas even when widened~~.

	== Categorization ==		== Categorization ==

174.140.73.217: /* Type */ replaced section

2016-04-05T08:12:46Z

Type: replaced section

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	Mechanically though, is this a problem? Do we want players lending powers or killing off characters to steal their power items?		Mechanically though, is this a problem? Do we want players lending powers or killing off characters to steal their power items?

	== ~~Type~~ ==		== Second Edition Template ==

	~~What's this 'type' nonsense? Who's to say that Regeneration has~~ to be ~~'Tech' or 'Bio' and can't be magical~~ in ~~nature?~~ What ~~if my character has a magical amulet which causes his wounds to heal? You~~ should ~~be able to fluff any power~~ as ~~having any type of origin. Limiting them by type is... well for lack of~~ a ~~better way to put it, it isn't fun. If this is for one particular game~~, then maybe that person should have their own set of rules rather than impress upon newcomers to the wiki that their characters will have their pick of superpowers limited based on what 'type' of hero they are.		Thinking of going through and updating the powers to be in line with the second edition format. What I have got in mind is:

			Name (dot range) - Thinking that since not every power scales neatly between 1 and 5 dots, we should list them as a range, like merits.

	~~-----~~		Class: Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Omega

	~~As it is described under 'Type' on this page~~, ~~the 'Type' is an optional factor used with the Origins character splat. If not using Origins the Type has no effect. Besides~~, ~~just like the die pool on a power (~~or ~~any of it's other mechanical effects) a different rational for the Power would change the listed Type.~~		Cost: Cost in Verve, Willpower, Health Levels or Experiences

	~~One reason for including Type and Origin is to allow an ST to have some ground to stand on if they need to rein~~ in ~~their players~~ with ~~respect~~ to ~~applying consistent rationales to their character's powers~~ (~~as opposed to having them be 'fluffed'~~)~~. In many groups players do that themselves, and so those optional systems are not needed everywhere. Apply where applicable. --BunniRabbi~~		Range: Given as a length or a radius, in yards/meters

			Duration: Permanent, Scene, Session, or Story

			Activation: Refelxive, Simple, Permanent

			[introduction paragraph]
			Dice Pool: Attribute + Skill with + Power rating were that is applicable.
			Dramatic Failure:
			Failure:
			Success:
			Exceptional Success:

			(note: link to all referenced conditions)

			Power Tree link (replacing extras with power tree merits)

			Drawback Options:

			Thoughts?

174.140.79.182: /* General Discussion */

2015-03-03T09:43:08Z

General Discussion

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	Mechanically though, is this a problem? Do we want players lending powers or killing off characters to steal their power items?		Mechanically though, is this a problem? Do we want players lending powers or killing off characters to steal their power items?

	== ~~General Discussion~~ ==		== Type ==

	What's this 'type' nonsense? Who's to say that Regeneration has to be 'Tech' or 'Bio' and can't be magical in nature? What if my character has a magical amulet which causes his wounds to heal? You should be able to fluff any power as having any type of origin. Limiting them by type is... well for lack of a better way to put it, it isn't fun. If this is for one particular game, then maybe that person should have their own set of rules rather than impress upon newcomers to the wiki that their characters will have their pick of superpowers limited based on what 'type' of hero they are.		What's this 'type' nonsense? Who's to say that Regeneration has to be 'Tech' or 'Bio' and can't be magical in nature? What if my character has a magical amulet which causes his wounds to heal? You should be able to fluff any power as having any type of origin. Limiting them by type is... well for lack of a better way to put it, it isn't fun. If this is for one particular game, then maybe that person should have their own set of rules rather than impress upon newcomers to the wiki that their characters will have their pick of superpowers limited based on what 'type' of hero they are.

174.140.79.182 at 09:12, 27 February 2015

2015-02-27T09:12:16Z

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	~~Submitted for consideration:~~

	~~A)Powers with multiple techniques are rather long entries, so;<br>~~
	~~1) Should these be given a general introduction and a link to there own page?<br>~~
	~~2) Should they be given a basic technique and then have the others exist as a 'power style:____' merit?<br>~~
	~~3) Both 2 & 3<br>~~
	~~4) Be split into separate, lower-level powers?<br>~~

	==System Eloquence==		==System Eloquence==
	"I wrote Reach for a specific reason, and it duplicates one of Plasticity's effects.... one single effect. Should I remove Force Bolt because Elemental Anima has the Blast technique?"		"I wrote Reach for a specific reason, and it duplicates one of Plasticity's effects.... one single effect. Should I remove Force Bolt because Elemental Anima [Now Elemental Mastery] has the Blast technique?"
	Well, kind of, yes. If a power exists that is just a more limited version of another power, then that power should be removed and the more limited version added as a Weakness for another power. The powers with multiple techniques are, in general, in need of simplification. Since a version of Force Bolt exists for multiple powers, it's probably best to list the technique as something like 'see force bolt'. There are other examples of duplication like this that need to be addressed.		Well, kind of, yes. If a power exists that is just a more limited version of another power, then that power should be removed and the more limited version added as a Weakness for another power. The powers with multiple techniques are, in general, in need of simplification. Since a version of Force Bolt exists for multiple powers, it's probably best to list the technique as something like 'see force bolt'. There are other examples of duplication like this that need to be addressed.

	"It's far better to have too much material on this wiki than the bare minimum for it to function."		"It's far better to have too much material on this wiki than the bare minimum for it to function."
	There has been significant discussion in the RPG Net community to the contrary. In keeping with their 'System Eloquence' guideline, and White Wolf's own developmental trend, rules' edits by our group look to widen existing rules to encompass additions when possible, as a preference over adding new entries. This keeps the wiki from being unnavigable and lowers RPG Nets' over-all data burden. New entries are justified when they will not fit under other areas even when widened.		There has been significant discussion in the RPG Net community to the contrary. In keeping with their 'System Eloquence' guideline, and White Wolf's /Onyx Path's own developmental trend, rules' edits by our group look to widen existing rules to encompass additions when possible, as a preference over adding new entries. This keeps the wiki from being unnavigable and lowers RPG Nets' over-all data burden. New entries are justified when they will not fit under other areas even when widened.

	== Categorization ==		== Categorization ==

174.140.79.182: /* Categorization */ Spelling correction

2015-02-09T06:37:12Z

Categorization: Spelling correction

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	Several of us are in the process of creating an equipment page for MTH, and there seems to be some discrepancies in thought on the subject. Is Iron Man's suit a Power or is his Power the ability to create such a thing? As written, the Contingent Activation Weakness can be used to allow an object to be present to use the power, and that seems to exist to allow some powers to be part of a power suit/ray gun/whatever. It would seem like that means the power can be stolen by stealing the object, and there are certainly examples of this in comic book stories.		Several of us are in the process of creating an equipment page for MTH, and there seems to be some discrepancies in thought on the subject. Is Iron Man's suit a Power or is his Power the ability to create such a thing? As written, the Contingent Activation Weakness can be used to allow an object to be present to use the power, and that seems to exist to allow some powers to be part of a power suit/ray gun/whatever. It would seem like that means the power can be stolen by stealing the object, and there are certainly examples of this in comic book stories.

	Mechanically though, is this a problem? Do we want players lending powers or killing of characters to steal their power items?		Mechanically though, is this a problem? Do we want players lending powers or killing off characters to steal their power items?

	== General Discussion ==		== General Discussion ==

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2014-06-26T08:03:44Z

moved general content to general powers discussion

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	3) Both 2 & 3<br>		3) Both 2 & 3<br>
	4) Be split into separate, lower-level powers?<br>		4) Be split into separate, lower-level powers?<br>

			==System Eloquence==
			"I wrote Reach for a specific reason, and it duplicates one of Plasticity's effects.... one single effect. Should I remove Force Bolt because Elemental Anima has the Blast technique?"
			Well, kind of, yes. If a power exists that is just a more limited version of another power, then that power should be removed and the more limited version added as a Weakness for another power. The powers with multiple techniques are, in general, in need of simplification. Since a version of Force Bolt exists for multiple powers, it's probably best to list the technique as something like 'see force bolt'. There are other examples of duplication like this that need to be addressed.

			"It's far better to have too much material on this wiki than the bare minimum for it to function."
			There has been significant discussion in the RPG Net community to the contrary. In keeping with their 'System Eloquence' guideline, and White Wolf's own developmental trend, rules' edits by our group look to widen existing rules to encompass additions when possible, as a preference over adding new entries. This keeps the wiki from being unnavigable and lowers RPG Nets' over-all data burden. New entries are justified when they will not fit under other areas even when widened.

	== Categorization ==		== Categorization ==
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	As it is described under 'Type' on this page, the 'Type' is an optional factor used with the Origins character splat. If not using Origins the Type has no effect. Besides, just like the die pool on a power (or any of it's other mechanical effects) a different rational for the Power would change the listed Type.		As it is described under 'Type' on this page, the 'Type' is an optional factor used with the Origins character splat. If not using Origins the Type has no effect. Besides, just like the die pool on a power (or any of it's other mechanical effects) a different rational for the Power would change the listed Type.

	One reason for including Type and Origin is to allow an ST to have some ground to stand on if they need to rein in their players with respect to applying consistent rationales to their character's powers. In many groups players do that themselves, and so those optional systems are not needed everywhere. --BunniRabbi		One reason for including Type and Origin is to allow an ST to have some ground to stand on if they need to rein in their players with respect to applying consistent rationales to their character's powers (as opposed to having them be 'fluffed'). In many groups players do that themselves, and so those optional systems are not needed everywhere. Apply where applicable. --BunniRabbi

98.219.211.75: /* General Discussion */ grammar and clarity

2014-06-26T07:11:52Z

General Discussion: grammar and clarity

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	As it is described under 'Type' on this page, the 'Type' is an optional factor used with the Origins character splat. If not using Origins the Type has no effect. Besides, just like the die pool on a power (or any of it's other mechanical effects) a different rational for the Power would change the listed Type.		As it is described under 'Type' on this page, the 'Type' is an optional factor used with the Origins character splat. If not using Origins the Type has no effect. Besides, just like the die pool on a power (or any of it's other mechanical effects) a different rational for the Power would change the listed Type.

	One reason for including Type and Origin is to allow an ST to have some ground to stand on if they need to rein in their players with respect to applying consistent rationales to their character's powers. In many groups players do that themselves, and so those optional systems are needed everywhere. --BunniRabbi		One reason for including Type and Origin is to allow an ST to have some ground to stand on if they need to rein in their players with respect to applying consistent rationales to their character's powers. In many groups players do that themselves, and so those optional systems are not needed everywhere. --BunniRabbi

98.219.211.75: /* General Discussion */ response to question

2014-06-26T07:10:49Z

General Discussion: response to question

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	What's this 'type' nonsense? Who's to say that Regeneration has to be 'Tech' or 'Bio' and can't be magical in nature? What if my character has a magical amulet which causes his wounds to heal? You should be able to fluff any power as having any type of origin. Limiting them by type is... well for lack of a better way to put it, it isn't fun. If this is for one particular game, then maybe that person should have their own set of rules rather than impress upon newcomers to the wiki that their characters will have their pick of superpowers limited based on what 'type' of hero they are.		What's this 'type' nonsense? Who's to say that Regeneration has to be 'Tech' or 'Bio' and can't be magical in nature? What if my character has a magical amulet which causes his wounds to heal? You should be able to fluff any power as having any type of origin. Limiting them by type is... well for lack of a better way to put it, it isn't fun. If this is for one particular game, then maybe that person should have their own set of rules rather than impress upon newcomers to the wiki that their characters will have their pick of superpowers limited based on what 'type' of hero they are.

			-----

			As it is described under 'Type' on this page, the 'Type' is an optional factor used with the Origins character splat. If not using Origins the Type has no effect. Besides, just like the die pool on a power (or any of it's other mechanical effects) a different rational for the Power would change the listed Type.

			One reason for including Type and Origin is to allow an ST to have some ground to stand on if they need to rein in their players with respect to applying consistent rationales to their character's powers. In many groups players do that themselves, and so those optional systems are needed everywhere. --BunniRabbi

70.193.10.172 at 00:38, 23 May 2014

2014-05-23T00:38:12Z

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	Mechanically though, is this a problem? Do we want players lending powers or killing of characters to steal their power items?		Mechanically though, is this a problem? Do we want players lending powers or killing of characters to steal their power items?

			== General Discussion ==

			What's this 'type' nonsense? Who's to say that Regeneration has to be 'Tech' or 'Bio' and can't be magical in nature? What if my character has a magical amulet which causes his wounds to heal? You should be able to fluff any power as having any type of origin. Limiting them by type is... well for lack of a better way to put it, it isn't fun. If this is for one particular game, then maybe that person should have their own set of rules rather than impress upon newcomers to the wiki that their characters will have their pick of superpowers limited based on what 'type' of hero they are.

98.219.211.75: /* Categorization */ new section

2014-05-20T19:13:51Z

Categorization: new section

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	3) Both 2 & 3<br>		3) Both 2 & 3<br>
	4) Be split into separate, lower-level powers?<br>		4) Be split into separate, lower-level powers?<br>

			== Categorization ==

			When exactly should something be considered a power or a piece of equipment?

			Several of us are in the process of creating an equipment page for MTH, and there seems to be some discrepancies in thought on the subject. Is Iron Man's suit a Power or is his Power the ability to create such a thing? As written, the Contingent Activation Weakness can be used to allow an object to be present to use the power, and that seems to exist to allow some powers to be part of a power suit/ray gun/whatever. It would seem like that means the power can be stolen by stealing the object, and there are certainly examples of this in comic book stories.

			Mechanically though, is this a problem? Do we want players lending powers or killing of characters to steal their power items?