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Glorious Blade Form

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	**Which Charms? --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]		**Which Charms? --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]
	***Whirling Dervish Method (HFoE, p. 6). --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]		***Whirling Dervish Method (HFoE, p. 6). --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]
			****Hmmm. Maybe leave it at (Ess+MA)/2 but raise it to 7 or 8m? --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]

	=Furious Sword Mudra=		=Furious Sword Mudra=
	*This should cost 2m, I think. Note that the Even Blade style Charm that does something similar IIRC costs 4m. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]		*This should cost 2m, I think. Note that the Even Blade style Charm that does something similar IIRC costs 4m. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]

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	**Hmmm. It doesn't feel Simple to me, but I could see it being an attack of it's own. I'm uncomfortable with allowing perfect parries to negate it, as the charm usage has to be declared upfront, and I think people will just go 'RBB? I perfect parry', rendering the charm pointless to take, let alone use. I can definitely see it being Crippling, and will probably make that change, though. --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]		**Hmmm. It doesn't feel Simple to me, but I could see it being an attack of it's own. I'm uncomfortable with allowing perfect parries to negate it, as the charm usage has to be declared upfront, and I think people will just go 'RBB? I perfect parry', rendering the charm pointless to take, let alone use. I can definitely see it being Crippling, and will probably make that change, though. --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]
	***So it joins the club of every other supplemental Charm in the book? Trying to get around perfect defenses is bad design IMO. And note that a perfect defense will still be a win for the MArtist, mote economy wise. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]		***So it joins the club of every other supplemental Charm in the book? Trying to get around perfect defenses is bad design IMO. And note that a perfect defense will still be a win for the MArtist, mote economy wise. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]
	****It's not getting around perfect defenses, though. It's 'if you parry, this happens'. I can see where you're coming from on the mote economy thing, but I'd still note that the MArtist has to actually be capable of hitting first.		****It's not getting around perfect defenses, though. It's 'if you parry, this happens'. I can see where you're coming from on the mote economy thing, but I'd still note that the MArtist has to actually be capable of hitting first. --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]
	--[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]
	=Immense Weapon Deflection=		=Immense Weapon Deflection=
	*Interesting idea, better priced at 6m, I think. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]		*Interesting idea, better priced at 6m, I think. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]

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	**Hmmm. It doesn't feel Simple to me, but I could see it being an attack of it's own. I'm uncomfortable with allowing perfect parries to negate it, as the charm usage has to be declared upfront, and I think people will just go 'RBB? I perfect parry', rendering the charm pointless to take, let alone use. I can definitely see it being Crippling, and will probably make that change, though. --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]		**Hmmm. It doesn't feel Simple to me, but I could see it being an attack of it's own. I'm uncomfortable with allowing perfect parries to negate it, as the charm usage has to be declared upfront, and I think people will just go 'RBB? I perfect parry', rendering the charm pointless to take, let alone use. I can definitely see it being Crippling, and will probably make that change, though. --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]
	***So it joins the club of every other supplemental Charm in the book? Trying to get around perfect defenses is bad design IMO. And note that a perfect defense will still be a win for the MArtist, mote economy wise. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]		***So it joins the club of every other supplemental Charm in the book? Trying to get around perfect defenses is bad design IMO. And note that a perfect defense will still be a win for the MArtist, mote economy wise. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]
			****It's not getting around perfect defenses, though. It's 'if you parry, this happens'. I can see where you're coming from on the mote economy thing, but I'd still note that the MArtist has to actually be capable of hitting first.
	--[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]		--[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]
	=Immense Weapon Deflection=		=Immense Weapon Deflection=
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	**I think that might weaken it too much. Maybe 5m? --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]		**I think that might weaken it too much. Maybe 5m? --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]
	***I stand by my suggestion. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]		***I stand by my suggestion. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]
			****In that case, sorry, but Sunrunner is fine with it as-is. --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]
	=Glorious Blade Form=		=Glorious Blade Form=
	*(Ess+MA)/2 is too much. For comparison, this is the equivalent in power to two HFoE Solar Melee Charms. Make it (Ess/2) and maybe add some small additional benefit for flavor. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]		*(Ess+MA)/2 is too much. For comparison, this is the equivalent in power to two HFoE Solar Melee Charms. Make it (Ess/2) and maybe add some small additional benefit for flavor. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]
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	**A per attack cost with cap of (Rate) would make it far worse than the Solar Melee equivalents, though, which would render this Charm pointless for its IC developer. Maybe add a clause forbidding it from being used with infinite rate weapons? --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]		**A per attack cost with cap of (Rate) would make it far worse than the Solar Melee equivalents, though, which would render this Charm pointless for its IC developer. Maybe add a clause forbidding it from being used with infinite rate weapons? --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]
	***Compare the Charm you're proposing to the extra-action Charms in other CMA styles. I feel my proposed version is much more in line with the examples they give. And yes, CMA ''are'' less powerful than Solar Charms, that's a simple fact. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]		***Compare the Charm you're proposing to the extra-action Charms in other CMA styles. I feel my proposed version is much more in line with the examples they give. And yes, CMA ''are'' less powerful than Solar Charms, that's a simple fact. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]
			****'Less powerful'!='Why are you taking this when you have access to Solar Melee', though. --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]

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	*Since it can't be used in a flurry, why not make it a Simple Charm? Also note that a perfect parry will still negate this Charm even if it is explicitly mentioned in the Charm text, since that is how they work. Finally there should be a keyword, probably Crippling, to the effect. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]		*Since it can't be used in a flurry, why not make it a Simple Charm? Also note that a perfect parry will still negate this Charm even if it is explicitly mentioned in the Charm text, since that is how they work. Finally there should be a keyword, probably Crippling, to the effect. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]
	**Hmmm. It doesn't feel Simple to me, but I could see it being an attack of it's own. I'm uncomfortable with allowing perfect parries to negate it, as the charm usage has to be declared upfront, and I think people will just go 'RBB? I perfect parry', rendering the charm pointless to take, let alone use. I can definitely see it being Crippling, and will probably make that change, though. --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]		**Hmmm. It doesn't feel Simple to me, but I could see it being an attack of it's own. I'm uncomfortable with allowing perfect parries to negate it, as the charm usage has to be declared upfront, and I think people will just go 'RBB? I perfect parry', rendering the charm pointless to take, let alone use. I can definitely see it being Crippling, and will probably make that change, though. --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]
			***So it joins the club of every other supplemental Charm in the book? Trying to get around perfect defenses is bad design IMO. And note that a perfect defense will still be a win for the MArtist, mote economy wise. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]
			--[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]
	=Immense Weapon Deflection=		=Immense Weapon Deflection=
	*Interesting idea, better priced at 6m, I think. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]		*Interesting idea, better priced at 6m, I think. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]
	**I think that might weaken it too much. Maybe 5m? --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]		**I think that might weaken it too much. Maybe 5m? --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]
			***I stand by my suggestion. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]
	=Glorious Blade Form=		=Glorious Blade Form=
	*(Ess+MA)/2 is too much. For comparison, this is the equivalent in power to two HFoE Solar Melee Charms. Make it (Ess/2) and maybe add some small additional benefit for flavor. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]		*(Ess+MA)/2 is too much. For comparison, this is the equivalent in power to two HFoE Solar Melee Charms. Make it (Ess/2) and maybe add some small additional benefit for flavor. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]
	**Which Charms? --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]		**Which Charms? --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]
			***Whirling Dervish Method (HFoE, p. 6). --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]
	=Furious Sword Mudra=		=Furious Sword Mudra=
	*This should cost 2m, I think. Note that the Even Blade style Charm that does something similar IIRC costs 4m. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]		*This should cost 2m, I think. Note that the Even Blade style Charm that does something similar IIRC costs 4m. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]
	**Is that '2m per attack', or flat 2m? --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]		**Is that '2m per attack', or flat 2m? --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]
			***I meant 2m per attack. I should look up that other Charm for comparison, though. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]
	=Blade Like Lightning Kata=		=Blade Like Lightning Kata=
	*No. Just no. This Charm should either have a per attack cost (3m/attack, maximum of rate) or give a flat number of attacks (for example (MA rating) attacks for, say, 8m, 1wp. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]		*No. Just no. This Charm should either have a per attack cost (3m/attack, maximum of rate) or give a flat number of attacks (for example (MA rating) attacks for, say, 8m, 1wp. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]
	**A per attack cost with cap of (Rate) would make it far worse than the Solar Melee equivalents, though, which would render this Charm pointless for its IC developer. Maybe add a clause forbidding it from being used with infinite rate weapons? --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]		**A per attack cost with cap of (Rate) would make it far worse than the Solar Melee equivalents, though, which would render this Charm pointless for its IC developer. Maybe add a clause forbidding it from being used with infinite rate weapons? --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]
			***Compare the Charm you're proposing to the extra-action Charms in other CMA styles. I feel my proposed version is much more in line with the examples they give. And yes, CMA ''are'' less powerful than Solar Charms, that's a simple fact. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]

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	~~'''~~Rhythm-Breaking Attack~~:'''~~ Since it can't be used in a flurry, why not make it a Simple Charm? Also note that a perfect parry will still negate this Charm even if it is explicitly mentioned in the Charm text, since that is how they work. Finally there should be a keyword, probably Crippling, to the effect. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]		=Rhythm-Breaking Attack=
			*Since it can't be used in a flurry, why not make it a Simple Charm? Also note that a perfect parry will still negate this Charm even if it is explicitly mentioned in the Charm text, since that is how they work. Finally there should be a keyword, probably Crippling, to the effect. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]
	'''Immense Weapon Deflection~~:'''~~ Interesting idea, better priced at 6m, I think. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]		**Hmmm. It doesn't feel Simple to me, but I could see it being an attack of it's own. I'm uncomfortable with allowing perfect parries to negate it, as the charm usage has to be declared upfront, and I think people will just go 'RBB? I perfect parry', rendering the charm pointless to take, let alone use. I can definitely see it being Crippling, and will probably make that change, though. --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]
			=Immense Weapon Deflection=
	~~'''~~Glorious Blade Form~~:'''~~ (Ess+MA)/2 is too much. For comparison, this is the equivalent in power to two HFoE Solar Melee Charms. Make it (Ess/2) and maybe add some small additional benefit for flavor. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]		*Interesting idea, better priced at 6m, I think. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]
			**I think that might weaken it too much. Maybe 5m? --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]
	~~'''~~Furious Sword Mudra~~:'''~~ This should cost 2m, I think. Note that the Even Blade style Charm that does something similar IIRC costs 4m. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]		=Glorious Blade Form=
			*(Ess+MA)/2 is too much. For comparison, this is the equivalent in power to two HFoE Solar Melee Charms. Make it (Ess/2) and maybe add some small additional benefit for flavor. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]
	'''Blade Like Lightning Kata~~:'''~~ No. Just no. This Charm should either have a per attack cost (3m/attack, maximum of rate) or give a flat number of attacks (for example (MA rating) attacks for, say, 8m, 1wp. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]		**Which Charms? --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]
			=Furious Sword Mudra=
			*This should cost 2m, I think. Note that the Even Blade style Charm that does something similar IIRC costs 4m. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]
			**Is that '2m per attack', or flat 2m? --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]
			=Blade Like Lightning Kata=
			*No. Just no. This Charm should either have a per attack cost (3m/attack, maximum of rate) or give a flat number of attacks (for example (MA rating) attacks for, say, 8m, 1wp. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]
			**A per attack cost with cap of (Rate) would make it far worse than the Solar Melee equivalents, though, which would render this Charm pointless for its IC developer. Maybe add a clause forbidding it from being used with infinite rate weapons? --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]

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	'''Immense Weapon Deflection:''' Interesting idea, better priced at 6m, I think. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]		'''Immense Weapon Deflection:''' Interesting idea, better priced at 6m, I think. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]

	'''Glorious Blade Form:''' (Ess+MA)/2 is too much. For comparison, this is the equivalent in power to two HFoE Solar Melee Charms. Make it (Ess/2) and add some small additional benefit for flavor. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]		'''Glorious Blade Form:''' (Ess+MA)/2 is too much. For comparison, this is the equivalent in power to two HFoE Solar Melee Charms. Make it (Ess/2) and maybe add some small additional benefit for flavor. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]

	'''Furious Sword Mudra:''' This should cost 2m, I think. Note that the Even Blade style Charm that does something similar IIRC costs 4m. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]		'''Furious Sword Mudra:''' This should cost 2m, I think. Note that the Even Blade style Charm that does something similar IIRC costs 4m. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]

	'''Blade Like Lightning Kata:''' No. Just no. This Charm should either have a per attack cost (3m/attack, maximum of rate) or give a flat number of attacks (for example (MA rating) attacks for, say, 8m, 1wp. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]		'''Blade Like Lightning Kata:''' No. Just no. This Charm should either have a per attack cost (3m/attack, maximum of rate) or give a flat number of attacks (for example (MA rating) attacks for, say, 8m, 1wp. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]

Dakkareth at 21:40, 6 October 2009

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'''Rhythm-Breaking Attack:''' Since it can't be used in a flurry, why not make it a Simple Charm? Also note that a perfect parry will still negate this Charm even if it is explicitly mentioned in the Charm text, since that is how they work. Finally there should be a keyword, probably Crippling, to the effect. --[[User:Dakkareth|Dakkareth]]

'''Immense Weapon Deflection:''' Interesting idea, better priced at 6m, I think. --[[User:Dakkareth|Dakkareth]]

'''Glorious Blade Form:''' (Ess+MA)/2 is too much. For comparison, this is the equivalent in power to two HFoE Solar Melee Charms. Make it (Ess/2) and add some small additional benefit for flavor. --[[User:Dakkareth|Dakkareth]]

'''Furious Sword Mudra:''' This should cost 2m, I think. Note that the Even Blade style Charm that does something similar IIRC costs 4m. --[[User:Dakkareth|Dakkareth]]

'''Blade Like Lightning Kata:''' No. Just no. This Charm should either have a per attack cost (3m/attack, maximum of rate) or give a flat number of attacks (for example (MA rating) attacks for, say, 8m, 1wp. --[[User:Dakkareth|Dakkareth]]

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	**Which Charms? --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]		**Which Charms? --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]
	***Whirling Dervish Method (HFoE, p. 6). --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]		***Whirling Dervish Method (HFoE, p. 6). --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]
			****Hmmm. Maybe leave it at (Ess+MA)/2 but raise it to 7 or 8m? --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]

	=Furious Sword Mudra=		=Furious Sword Mudra=
	*This should cost 2m, I think. Note that the Even Blade style Charm that does something similar IIRC costs 4m. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]		*This should cost 2m, I think. Note that the Even Blade style Charm that does something similar IIRC costs 4m. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]

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	**Hmmm. It doesn't feel Simple to me, but I could see it being an attack of it's own. I'm uncomfortable with allowing perfect parries to negate it, as the charm usage has to be declared upfront, and I think people will just go 'RBB? I perfect parry', rendering the charm pointless to take, let alone use. I can definitely see it being Crippling, and will probably make that change, though. --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]		**Hmmm. It doesn't feel Simple to me, but I could see it being an attack of it's own. I'm uncomfortable with allowing perfect parries to negate it, as the charm usage has to be declared upfront, and I think people will just go 'RBB? I perfect parry', rendering the charm pointless to take, let alone use. I can definitely see it being Crippling, and will probably make that change, though. --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]
	***So it joins the club of every other supplemental Charm in the book? Trying to get around perfect defenses is bad design IMO. And note that a perfect defense will still be a win for the MArtist, mote economy wise. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]		***So it joins the club of every other supplemental Charm in the book? Trying to get around perfect defenses is bad design IMO. And note that a perfect defense will still be a win for the MArtist, mote economy wise. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]
	****It's not getting around perfect defenses, though. It's 'if you parry, this happens'. I can see where you're coming from on the mote economy thing, but I'd still note that the MArtist has to actually be capable of hitting first.		****It's not getting around perfect defenses, though. It's 'if you parry, this happens'. I can see where you're coming from on the mote economy thing, but I'd still note that the MArtist has to actually be capable of hitting first. --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]
	--[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]
	=Immense Weapon Deflection=		=Immense Weapon Deflection=
	*Interesting idea, better priced at 6m, I think. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]		*Interesting idea, better priced at 6m, I think. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]

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	**Hmmm. It doesn't feel Simple to me, but I could see it being an attack of it's own. I'm uncomfortable with allowing perfect parries to negate it, as the charm usage has to be declared upfront, and I think people will just go 'RBB? I perfect parry', rendering the charm pointless to take, let alone use. I can definitely see it being Crippling, and will probably make that change, though. --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]		**Hmmm. It doesn't feel Simple to me, but I could see it being an attack of it's own. I'm uncomfortable with allowing perfect parries to negate it, as the charm usage has to be declared upfront, and I think people will just go 'RBB? I perfect parry', rendering the charm pointless to take, let alone use. I can definitely see it being Crippling, and will probably make that change, though. --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]
	***So it joins the club of every other supplemental Charm in the book? Trying to get around perfect defenses is bad design IMO. And note that a perfect defense will still be a win for the MArtist, mote economy wise. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]		***So it joins the club of every other supplemental Charm in the book? Trying to get around perfect defenses is bad design IMO. And note that a perfect defense will still be a win for the MArtist, mote economy wise. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]
			****It's not getting around perfect defenses, though. It's 'if you parry, this happens'. I can see where you're coming from on the mote economy thing, but I'd still note that the MArtist has to actually be capable of hitting first.
	--[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]		--[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]
	=Immense Weapon Deflection=		=Immense Weapon Deflection=
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	**I think that might weaken it too much. Maybe 5m? --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]		**I think that might weaken it too much. Maybe 5m? --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]
	***I stand by my suggestion. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]		***I stand by my suggestion. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]
			****In that case, sorry, but Sunrunner is fine with it as-is. --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]
	=Glorious Blade Form=		=Glorious Blade Form=
	*(Ess+MA)/2 is too much. For comparison, this is the equivalent in power to two HFoE Solar Melee Charms. Make it (Ess/2) and maybe add some small additional benefit for flavor. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]		*(Ess+MA)/2 is too much. For comparison, this is the equivalent in power to two HFoE Solar Melee Charms. Make it (Ess/2) and maybe add some small additional benefit for flavor. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]
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	**A per attack cost with cap of (Rate) would make it far worse than the Solar Melee equivalents, though, which would render this Charm pointless for its IC developer. Maybe add a clause forbidding it from being used with infinite rate weapons? --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]		**A per attack cost with cap of (Rate) would make it far worse than the Solar Melee equivalents, though, which would render this Charm pointless for its IC developer. Maybe add a clause forbidding it from being used with infinite rate weapons? --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]
	***Compare the Charm you're proposing to the extra-action Charms in other CMA styles. I feel my proposed version is much more in line with the examples they give. And yes, CMA ''are'' less powerful than Solar Charms, that's a simple fact. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]		***Compare the Charm you're proposing to the extra-action Charms in other CMA styles. I feel my proposed version is much more in line with the examples they give. And yes, CMA ''are'' less powerful than Solar Charms, that's a simple fact. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]
			****'Less powerful'!='Why are you taking this when you have access to Solar Melee', though. --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]

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	*Since it can't be used in a flurry, why not make it a Simple Charm? Also note that a perfect parry will still negate this Charm even if it is explicitly mentioned in the Charm text, since that is how they work. Finally there should be a keyword, probably Crippling, to the effect. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]		*Since it can't be used in a flurry, why not make it a Simple Charm? Also note that a perfect parry will still negate this Charm even if it is explicitly mentioned in the Charm text, since that is how they work. Finally there should be a keyword, probably Crippling, to the effect. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]
	**Hmmm. It doesn't feel Simple to me, but I could see it being an attack of it's own. I'm uncomfortable with allowing perfect parries to negate it, as the charm usage has to be declared upfront, and I think people will just go 'RBB? I perfect parry', rendering the charm pointless to take, let alone use. I can definitely see it being Crippling, and will probably make that change, though. --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]		**Hmmm. It doesn't feel Simple to me, but I could see it being an attack of it's own. I'm uncomfortable with allowing perfect parries to negate it, as the charm usage has to be declared upfront, and I think people will just go 'RBB? I perfect parry', rendering the charm pointless to take, let alone use. I can definitely see it being Crippling, and will probably make that change, though. --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]
			***So it joins the club of every other supplemental Charm in the book? Trying to get around perfect defenses is bad design IMO. And note that a perfect defense will still be a win for the MArtist, mote economy wise. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]
			--[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]
	=Immense Weapon Deflection=		=Immense Weapon Deflection=
	*Interesting idea, better priced at 6m, I think. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]		*Interesting idea, better priced at 6m, I think. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]
	**I think that might weaken it too much. Maybe 5m? --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]		**I think that might weaken it too much. Maybe 5m? --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]
			***I stand by my suggestion. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]
	=Glorious Blade Form=		=Glorious Blade Form=
	*(Ess+MA)/2 is too much. For comparison, this is the equivalent in power to two HFoE Solar Melee Charms. Make it (Ess/2) and maybe add some small additional benefit for flavor. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]		*(Ess+MA)/2 is too much. For comparison, this is the equivalent in power to two HFoE Solar Melee Charms. Make it (Ess/2) and maybe add some small additional benefit for flavor. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]
	**Which Charms? --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]		**Which Charms? --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]
			***Whirling Dervish Method (HFoE, p. 6). --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]
	=Furious Sword Mudra=		=Furious Sword Mudra=
	*This should cost 2m, I think. Note that the Even Blade style Charm that does something similar IIRC costs 4m. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]		*This should cost 2m, I think. Note that the Even Blade style Charm that does something similar IIRC costs 4m. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]
	**Is that '2m per attack', or flat 2m? --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]		**Is that '2m per attack', or flat 2m? --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]
			***I meant 2m per attack. I should look up that other Charm for comparison, though. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]
	=Blade Like Lightning Kata=		=Blade Like Lightning Kata=
	*No. Just no. This Charm should either have a per attack cost (3m/attack, maximum of rate) or give a flat number of attacks (for example (MA rating) attacks for, say, 8m, 1wp. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]		*No. Just no. This Charm should either have a per attack cost (3m/attack, maximum of rate) or give a flat number of attacks (for example (MA rating) attacks for, say, 8m, 1wp. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]
	**A per attack cost with cap of (Rate) would make it far worse than the Solar Melee equivalents, though, which would render this Charm pointless for its IC developer. Maybe add a clause forbidding it from being used with infinite rate weapons? --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]		**A per attack cost with cap of (Rate) would make it far worse than the Solar Melee equivalents, though, which would render this Charm pointless for its IC developer. Maybe add a clause forbidding it from being used with infinite rate weapons? --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]
			***Compare the Charm you're proposing to the extra-action Charms in other CMA styles. I feel my proposed version is much more in line with the examples they give. And yes, CMA ''are'' less powerful than Solar Charms, that's a simple fact. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]

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	=Rhythm-Breaking Attack=		=Glorious Blade Style=
			==Rhythm-Breaking Attack==
	*Since it can't be used in a flurry, why not make it a Simple Charm? Also note that a perfect parry will still negate this Charm even if it is explicitly mentioned in the Charm text, since that is how they work. Finally there should be a keyword, probably Crippling, to the effect. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]		*Since it can't be used in a flurry, why not make it a Simple Charm? Also note that a perfect parry will still negate this Charm even if it is explicitly mentioned in the Charm text, since that is how they work. Finally there should be a keyword, probably Crippling, to the effect. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]
	**Hmmm. It doesn't feel Simple to me, but I could see it being an attack of it's own. I'm uncomfortable with allowing perfect parries to negate it, as the charm usage has to be declared upfront, and I think people will just go 'RBB? I perfect parry', rendering the charm pointless to take, let alone use. I can definitely see it being Crippling, and will probably make that change, though. --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]		**Hmmm. It doesn't feel Simple to me, but I could see it being an attack of it's own. I'm uncomfortable with allowing perfect parries to negate it, as the charm usage has to be declared upfront, and I think people will just go 'RBB? I perfect parry', rendering the charm pointless to take, let alone use. I can definitely see it being Crippling, and will probably make that change, though. --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]
	***So it joins the club of every other supplemental Charm in the book? Trying to get around perfect defenses is bad design IMO. And note that a perfect defense will still be a win for the MArtist, mote economy wise. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]		***So it joins the club of every other supplemental Charm in the book? Trying to get around perfect defenses is bad design IMO. And note that a perfect defense will still be a win for the MArtist, mote economy wise. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]
	****It's not getting around perfect defenses, though. It's 'if you parry, this happens'. I can see where you're coming from on the mote economy thing, but I'd still note that the MArtist has to actually be capable of hitting first. --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]		****It's not getting around perfect defenses, though. It's 'if you parry, this happens'. I can see where you're coming from on the mote economy thing, but I'd still note that the MArtist has to actually be capable of hitting first. --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]
	=Immense Weapon Deflection=		==Immense Weapon Deflection==
	*Interesting idea, better priced at 6m, I think. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]		*Interesting idea, better priced at 6m, I think. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]
	**I think that might weaken it too much. Maybe 5m? --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]		**I think that might weaken it too much. Maybe 5m? --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]
	***I stand by my suggestion. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]		***I stand by my suggestion. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]
	****In that case, sorry, but Sunrunner is fine with it as-is. --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]		****In that case, sorry, but Sunrunner is fine with it as-is. --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]
	=Glorious Blade Form=		==Glorious Blade Form==
	*(Ess+MA)/2 is too much. For comparison, this is the equivalent in power to two HFoE Solar Melee Charms. Make it (Ess/2) and maybe add some small additional benefit for flavor. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]		*(Ess+MA)/2 is too much. For comparison, this is the equivalent in power to two HFoE Solar Melee Charms. Make it (Ess/2) and maybe add some small additional benefit for flavor. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]
	**Which Charms? --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]		**Which Charms? --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]
	***Whirling Dervish Method (HFoE, p. 6). --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]		***Whirling Dervish Method (HFoE, p. 6). --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]
	****Hmmm. Maybe leave it at (Ess+MA)/2 but raise it to 7 or 8m? --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]		****Hmmm. Maybe leave it at (Ess+MA)/2 but raise it to 7 or 8m? --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]
			==Furious Sword Mudra==
	=Furious Sword Mudra=
	*This should cost 2m, I think. Note that the Even Blade style Charm that does something similar IIRC costs 4m. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]		*This should cost 2m, I think. Note that the Even Blade style Charm that does something similar IIRC costs 4m. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]
	**Is that '2m per attack', or flat 2m? --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]		**Is that '2m per attack', or flat 2m? --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]
	***I meant 2m per attack. I should look up that other Charm for comparison, though. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]		***I meant 2m per attack. I should look up that other Charm for comparison, though. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]
	=Blade Like Lightning Kata=		==Blade Like Lightning Kata==
	*No. Just no. This Charm should either have a per attack cost (3m/attack, maximum of rate) or give a flat number of attacks (for example (MA rating) attacks for, say, 8m, 1wp. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]		*No. Just no. This Charm should either have a per attack cost (3m/attack, maximum of rate) or give a flat number of attacks (for example (MA rating) attacks for, say, 8m, 1wp. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]
	**A per attack cost with cap of (Rate) would make it far worse than the Solar Melee equivalents, though, which would render this Charm pointless for its IC developer. Maybe add a clause forbidding it from being used with infinite rate weapons? --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]		**A per attack cost with cap of (Rate) would make it far worse than the Solar Melee equivalents, though, which would render this Charm pointless for its IC developer. Maybe add a clause forbidding it from being used with infinite rate weapons? --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]
	***Compare the Charm you're proposing to the extra-action Charms in other CMA styles. I feel my proposed version is much more in line with the examples they give. And yes, CMA ''are'' less powerful than Solar Charms, that's a simple fact. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]		***Compare the Charm you're proposing to the extra-action Charms in other CMA styles. I feel my proposed version is much more in line with the examples they give. And yes, CMA ''are'' less powerful than Solar Charms, that's a simple fact. --[[User:Dakkareth\|Dakkareth]]
	****'Less powerful'!='Why are you taking this when you have access to Solar Melee', though. --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]		****'Less powerful'!=='Why are you taking this when you have access to Solar Melee', though. --[[User:Andrensath\|Andrensath]]