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==Andrew== :: ''So, we all talked about him turning into a demon. What's this mean? Personally, I think how this happens is extremely complicated. He's gone through no transition whatsoever, and suddenly he's no longer human?'' Well, we as players have no idea what it means. In fact, I'm going to venture that Adam as a player probably doesn't really know what's happening. I don't know exactly what Kevin told him, if anything, but this wouldn't be the first time Adam took a tidbit of information and leaped to wildly inaccurate conclusion from it. That doesn't mean that Zal can't TELL the other PCs that he's becoming a demon (he didn't, because he knows that we associate demons with evil, but he did tell us he was becoming something else.) We don't know what's really going on, and neither do our characters, so I wouldn't start worrying about what this means or whether it makes metaphysical sense until we have more information to work with. :: ''The evil-ness of it is probably debatable, but I don't think it's in the Neutral column. I say it's debatable because I don't know how much personal power he could gain from this. So what if the guy in power is friendly toward him? We want them ALL to be friendly toward us as a group, don't we? His motivations could be fairly non-harmful, even if his methods are seriously dirty.'' Right, but motivation and intention has nothing to do with whether something's an evil act or not. That's why the road to hell isn't paved with deliberate ill will. Neither does it matter whether he actually stands to gain anything personally. What does matter is that he's taken the first independent human settlement to rise in a century and outfitted it with a puppet government controlled by a secret unelected cabal which nobody knows about but him. Even if he did this with what he genuinely believed were the best interests of First-Hold in mind, he's still dashed whatever chances the settlement might have had of starting out as a truly free society, and he did it knowingly and willingly, with no regard whatsoever for the damage he might be doing in the process ... and someone like Zal would certainly know what happens to societies that are set up this way. That's assuming that his intentions WERE good ones, and that he really DID decide to do this because he thought it would benefit First-Hold, not for some sort of personal gain. Which is, let's face it, pretty damn unlikely. And as I said before, I don't think good intentions would make it any less evil. :: ''I've said it before and I'll say it again: an Evil character has no business being a PC in a game like this where we're trying to be heroes. I think that if Zal becomes Evil, then he becomes an NPC under Kevin's control and Adam makes a new character.'' I don't necessarily agree. If Zal does become Evil, it shouldn't be an issue at all until the other PCs have reason to become aware of it. At that point, it's up to them to figure out what, if anything, should be done about it. Zal's turning Evil doesn't necessarily mean he automatically becomes a cackling sociopath. I will say this, though: I'm done coming up with reasons to make Durgaz tolerate what should be unacceptable behavior. Both Adam and Zal have to understand this by now. If push comes to shove (again), Zal'Kazzir's being a PC will no longer afford him any special privileges, as far as I'm concerned.
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