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The Unconquered Sun is the highest of the spirits, created by the True Maker(s) or the world to watch over it all, who favors humans and starts a rebellion. In Exalted, this rebellion succeeds, and we get thousands of years of Solar rule before the Dragon Blooded repeat the process. In the World of Darkness such a figure would have been called Lucifer (The Lightbringer) and obviously his rebellion failed and his followers were cast into Hell.
 
The Unconquered Sun is the highest of the spirits, created by the True Maker(s) or the world to watch over it all, who favors humans and starts a rebellion. In Exalted, this rebellion succeeds, and we get thousands of years of Solar rule before the Dragon Blooded repeat the process. In the World of Darkness such a figure would have been called Lucifer (The Lightbringer) and obviously his rebellion failed and his followers were cast into Hell.
  
The idea of "Incarna" as the supreme deities comes from the WoD's spirit world.  Likewise, Pattern Spiders & the Loom of Fate.
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The Underworld is exactly the same. Look at what it says in the prehistory section of Wraith, and that's Exalted's underworld.
  
The Wyld and Luna are just the same in Werewolf as they are in Exalted. The Underworld is exactly the same, too. Look at what it says in the prehistory section of Wraith, and that's Exalted's underworld.
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The Wyld is just the same in Werewolf as it is in Exalted.
  
Autocthon is in Mage too, floating in (properly enough) The Void of space.
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The idea of "Incarna" as the supreme deities also come from the WoD's spirit world.
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The makeup of Primordials is seemingly (to me) based on the makeup of The Wyrm. One central entity, three massive portions of them at the top (The Eater of Souls, the Defiler Wyrm and the Beast of War), and many lesser Banes down to the lowliest. All are The Wyrm, but they are only portions. Interesting to note that the Weaver is alone among all great spirit-kind as not being built in this pattern.
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Likewise, Pattern Spiders, the Loom of Fate.
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Luna is exactly as she is in Werewolf or Exalted.  
  
 
Fair Folk exist without human hosts in Exalted, but obviously have the Commoner/Noble divide they have in Changeling. Likewise, they enter Bedlam or can calcify.
 
Fair Folk exist without human hosts in Exalted, but obviously have the Commoner/Noble divide they have in Changeling. Likewise, they enter Bedlam or can calcify.
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Autocthon is in Mage too, floating in (properly enough) The Void of space.
  
 
ALSO, big one, Mokole and Dragon Kings share Mnesis. Supposedly, all the way back to the beginning, as far back as "The Wonderwork of the Wyrm" when the Wyrm rewrote all of reality.
 
ALSO, big one, Mokole and Dragon Kings share Mnesis. Supposedly, all the way back to the beginning, as far back as "The Wonderwork of the Wyrm" when the Wyrm rewrote all of reality.
 
The makeup of Primordials is seemingly (to me) based on the makeup of The Wyrm. One central entity, three massive portions of them at the top (The Eater of Souls, the Defiler Wyrm and the Beast of War), and many lesser Banes down to the lowliest. All are The Wyrm, but they are only portions. Interesting to note that the Weaver is alone among all great spirit-kind as not being built in this pattern.
 
  
 
The Ebon Dragon and the Scarlet "Queen" are married and personify the complementary opposition of Yin and Yang. Somehow, the personification of Death and Darkness marrying the greatest of the elemental superkings who rule ancient China changed the whole way the Wan Xian are created, and now they take their Second Breath only after they have died and suffer a karmic imbalance. Years of evil have taught them to steal chi, and have cursed them greatly.
 
The Ebon Dragon and the Scarlet "Queen" are married and personify the complementary opposition of Yin and Yang. Somehow, the personification of Death and Darkness marrying the greatest of the elemental superkings who rule ancient China changed the whole way the Wan Xian are created, and now they take their Second Breath only after they have died and suffer a karmic imbalance. Years of evil have taught them to steal chi, and have cursed them greatly.
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The Ebon Dragon is different from the Wyrm. He exists in the setting already, but with very different themes. The Dragon is about Yin, and with the Queen represents complementary opposition. This seems like a great re-invention of the Dragon's themes; he was always the Antagonist ... marrying the ultimate protagonist seems to have made him complete. Now he's both sides of the coin. And, he's got a fetich, which he seemed to have always lacked. and she defines him by opposition, which he always was. Healthy, happy Primordial.
 
The Ebon Dragon is different from the Wyrm. He exists in the setting already, but with very different themes. The Dragon is about Yin, and with the Queen represents complementary opposition. This seems like a great re-invention of the Dragon's themes; he was always the Antagonist ... marrying the ultimate protagonist seems to have made him complete. Now he's both sides of the coin. And, he's got a fetich, which he seemed to have always lacked. and she defines him by opposition, which he always was. Healthy, happy Primordial.
  
The Balance Wyrm, I think, was the Holy Tyrant, the Empyreal Chaos. His being "trapped" and "driven mad" is what made him The Wyrm. That makes The Wyrm Malfeas, though maybe a bit re-invented. Incidently, I think Malfeas is God. Like, the God, the guy who curses Caine, the guy who sentences the Fallen to the Abyss, all that shit. Cause if he became Rex Mundi again, he'd call down some Old Testament wrath, and make big overtures about how he was the best and most fair ruler ever. And the only thing in the universe worth worship ("hold no other god before me"). Also explains his hate on for Gaia.
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The Balance Wyrm, I think, was the Holy Tyrant, the Empyreal Chaos. His being "trapped" and "driven mad" is what made him The Wyrm. That makes The Wyrm Malfeas, though maybe a bit re-invented.
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Incidently, I think Malfeas is God. Like, the God, the guy who curses Caine, the guy who sentences the Fallen to the Abyss, all that shit. Cause if he became Rex Mundi again, he'd call down some Old Testament wrath, and make big overtures about how he was the best and most fair ruler ever. And the only thing in the universe worth worship ("hold no other god before me").
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Also explains his hate on for Gaia.
  
 
''--As discussed [http://forum.rpg.net/showpost.php?p=13567599&postcount=12 here] & [http://forum.rpg.net/showpost.php?p=13567705&postcount=17 here].''<br><br>
 
''--As discussed [http://forum.rpg.net/showpost.php?p=13567599&postcount=12 here] & [http://forum.rpg.net/showpost.php?p=13567705&postcount=17 here].''<br><br>
  
 
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