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| | ===What other attempts to change and manipulate Godlike Energy are documented?=== | | ===What other attempts to change and manipulate Godlike Energy are documented?=== |
| | Outlines for working on the "deceased survovors" are evident but have not been implemented. Animal research was planned, both on the Godlike animals and on hosting non-Godlike animals with the Vector. <br> <br> This is a brand new science. <br> Celera personel are some of the best in the world in these areas and they were still learning to crawl. Now they will have been faced with further set-backs with Seattle's events and the lose of their subjects. | | Outlines for working on the "deceased survovors" are evident but have not been implemented. Animal research was planned, both on the Godlike animals and on hosting non-Godlike animals with the Vector. <br> <br> This is a brand new science. <br> Celera personel are some of the best in the world in these areas and they were still learning to crawl. Now they will have been faced with further set-backs with Seattle's events and the lose of their subjects. |
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| − | ===Will Genzyme be able to handle the Seattle Genetics materials?===
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| − | ===Why wasn’t Daniel Young there to witness the procedure, If he really was a dad wanting to help his little girl (as opposed to a scared (or mind-controlled) little man who didn't love the monster that used to be his daughter), he'd have been watching like a hawk from the observation deck.===
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| − | You don't know all the circustances. This might (is probably) true about Daniel (I hate that guy) but he might also have been out of Seattle when the Progeny hit... Time will tell.
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| − | ===How might the Celera/Seattle Genetics employees be treated for the experiements on Maggie Young?===
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| − | Mengele was following Hitler's orders. The separation between enabler and experimenter, and the surgical precision and cleanliness under which Mengele's experiments occurred, doesn't make it so that either man has /not/ committed Crimes Against Humanity.
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| − | ===A vector is a delivery system - but in your explanation it's not clear exactly /what/ was "delivered" from Maggie to Milos. It reads like it was just a few cells, but it couldn't possibly be that simple.===
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| − | It's NOT that simple. But to the layman it is that simple. What was transferred? Nothing. The DNA strands that the scientists isolated were forced be attracted to the DNA strands in Milos also isolated - Those strands replicated themselves onto Milos' through their process... The DNA is the Vector for the unknown that is the Godlike Energy.
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| − | ===If I'm reading you right, what basically happened is Celera effectively gave Milos cancer. But rather than "leukemia," they gave him "Maggie's Powers." The "cancer" itself is so strong as to spread through Milos' system in a matter of days (at most) and insert itself flawlessly (without rejection or apparent illness) into the pre-existing genetic structure. Am I close to what you meant?===
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| − | YES. But closer to weeks. You found them at the END of the cycle. Think of it as longer term like chemotherapy ... Although the scientific process - that's not the ONLY part of the process from what you will see in the journals of the lead scientist...
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| − | ===Clearly, the Godlike Energy is strong - but if it's as simple as all that then there's no real "procedure" - you just inject some cells from one person into another person and /wham/, instant godlike. That can't be right, can it?===
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| − | No. Not in my mind. It's more like a magnetic draw - once that attraction takes hold almost fusing it then starts growing.
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| − | Just because these scietists have done it this once doesn't mean:
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| − | ===Or are the Godlike cells themselves not cancerous? Do they need a more direct agency to "catch"? Was Celera's procedure something like gene splicing or gene therapy?===
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| − | Yes - it's closer to this.
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| − | ===How the hell did they get it to work in a non-embryonic human being ('cause that right there is "You won the Nobel Prize because you've just cured almost every known disease" type of shit right there)?===
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| − | You'd think - wouldn't you..? This COULD be Nobel Prize winning info. Yet they haven't made it known to be considered for the prize...
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| − | ===If it's gene therapy, where they insert the DNA into just a few adult cells (usually white blood cells), do they expect it to be a permanent change (gene therapy usually has to be repeated every few months as the old cells die and the effects wear off)? If so, how is that possible? If not, how have they accounted for that (frozen Maggie cells?)?
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| − | Or is it something else entirely, like an organ transplant, like in Aberrant with the MR Node? If it's an organ, how would anyone ever expect that Maggie could retain her powers? Unless it's like the liver, and they could take out about 50% of the organ and expect each half to regenerate. And if it's an organ, how the hell would our own scientists not have noticed that, given the complete physicals the PCs (and Maggie, et al) went through when we set up Hopewell?===
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| − | I would say RIGHT NOW - that THIS is a theory that has come from Genzyme! (nice thinking Jason) because it is an idea I'd thought of. Regrowth and all with cancer, not to mention the dissolution of Arthur Redford's real cancer that he had before the plane... As you remember there were/are differences in your makeup, genetic and otherwise - hence being called non-homo sapien from the begining. But it has taken all this time and hundreds of scientists to decipher what did what with this "alien" physiology... Celera has their theory (above) that's shown to be at least partially if not fully valid and Genzyme has there's. How will their's change once you give them Celera's research? Time will tell...
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| − | ===Implied by the statement "forced Milos' vector to attract and replicate Maggie's") Did they just "fool" the energy into going into Milos now? If so, how? What did they use? A variation on a van de graff generator, a particle accelerator, nuclear reactor, an X-Ray, MRI, chemotherapy or similar?===
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| − | Yes. They used a combination of: Initial antibacterial chemotherapy to induce immunosuppression followed by a series of exposure to a specially designed van de graff polysomnograph generator.
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| − | ===Ultimately, how did they get rid of Maggie's powers? If it's an organ transplant, I think I can understand, or if they "fooled" the energy from one receptor into another. But if Maggie's powers were generated by her cells, particularly if it's an "infection/cancer" type of thing? I mean, maybe the "power gene" only resides in a few cells, but then how the hell did they find a few cells out of billions? If it resides in every cell, they'd pretty much have had to use chemotherapy to get it all, wouldn't they? If so, what sort of radiation did they zap the girl with, and in what doses?===
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| − | The tyrosine kinase inhibitor imatinib mesylate - which directly targets a molecular abnormality in various types of cancer. The dose is adjusted for both patients' body surface area, a composite measure of weight and height that mathematically approximates the body volume.
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| − | ===However they did it, does the procedure represent a potential solution to the problem of those Survivors who choose to be criminals?===
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| − | Using your own reply... Yes. If you want to "rape" them.
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| − | ===How long does the procedure take? Is it safe? is it expected to be reliable in all situations or has it only been set up for the Maggie/Milos pair?===
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| − | Yes - each case is individual so the same experiment dosages and such might not effect another subject set, or it may kill them.
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| − | Is it safe? Unknown. Reliable? Unknown. It would have been a short week following Maggie's abduction. Time enough for Daniel to be "convinced" that this was the right thing to do and to get all things set and ready.
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| − | ===Or has Maggie not actually lost her powers at all, and we just think she has? When Brian's out cold, his powers go into "regression" and Jack can't see them. What if the shock of this process just pushed Maggie's powers temporarily into "regression" and they need a little while to heal before coming back? Happens to cancer under treatment all the time.===
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| − | ===All of this brings up an interesting question: what's the decay rate? Radiation has a half-life and cells decay. This is obviously not true of everyone (we know that Brian and Arthur don't age, for example), but that might not hold true of Maggie and Milos. Does whatever's been supplying Milos and Maggie with power show signs of micro-aging? Obviously a few powers last through 2056, but should we expect to wake up one morning powerless as these cells inside us age and die? ===
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| − | The game rule term "immunity to age" hints that Brian and Arthur don't age. But that's just theoretical. In the future timeline it's only 25-50 years in the future. You COULD do more experients to learn the details but at current you may or may not be actually aging. So the answer is yes.
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| − | ===What's the deal with the chips? Jack seems to know about this already, so he might keep hiding that info from the rest of us, but hey. Did Celera put them in us or did someone else? Did Celera even know they were there before we announced it?===
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| − | No official record of the chips are noted in Celera files. Photo images of survivor bodies from admitance show that the "S" logo was NOT on their person! If you recall, the chip was not something immediately identifyable by scanners or whatever... They were found after research and micro-search.
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| − | ===Before our first demonstration of power (Maggie with a bed through her wall, right?), did Celera know/suspect we had powers? While we were asleep, for example?===
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| − | Yes and no. Throughout the coma stages they saw signs of survivors exhibiting features and anomolies. Brian for example grew his extra height/weight over the course of the 2nd year at Seattle Genetics. That was also the time that other survivors like Alex Young were unable to be sampled from any longer. Others still exhibitted odd occurances such as equipment not working near them or going crazy or whatever - depending on their powers that would be, although at the time Celera had no clue what this would become. Maggie's strength was one of the VERY first true powers exhibitted by Godlike.
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| − | ===Who organized this? You hinted in your other email that Milos might be working under someone else's orders - does anything in the file suggest who that might have been?===
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| − | No. As far as the files go Milos organized this experiment with cooperation from Celera facilities and the administration.
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| − | ===Who paid for the research/procedure, that sort of thing?===
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| − | The Bill and Linda Gates foundation. - Seriously - investors of Kings Farm.
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| − | ===If Survivors are not considered human.this is an important note to clarify. Is this the official government opinion of survivors? If so...then how is it possible for Brian to be Vice-President? If this is the opinion of the AMA and associated groups, it has no backing unless supported by the US Government.===
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| − | This is from leading scientists in the fields of biology and genetics. Several that work for Celera and Seattle Genetics. And yes the AMA. It does not have official backing by the US Government yet.
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| − | ===Is there something about this Survivor DNA that is able to draw energy from an unknown source - say, a different form/wavelength of energy for each unique Survivor DNA sequence? And the Celera scientists managed to find a way to splice together the Maggie Survivor DNA and the Milos Survivor DNA so that Milos' "Survivor cells" could absorb both "wavelengths"?===
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| − | ===If so, this brings up some interesting avenues of research outside of Celera's purview - areas of physics, not biology. Radiation and wavelength measurements, running skin samples through a particle accelerator or testing for radioactive decay, observing other phenomena while Survivor Energy is being exercised...===
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| − | True. Yes. I've always been interested in that direction.
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| − | ===There's a /lot/ to learn about the actual energy itself. Does Celera have any notes on that (or on companies in industry that might be doing research on that)? If not (or even if so), I think we're going to have to get in touch with a few national laboratories and see if we can't figure out what this Godlike Energy is...===
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| − | No - for Celera and Seattle Genetics it's too early to have done that This is info they have JUST theorized/uncovered. So you guys are getting it in real time only weeks after they've came upon it from research with Maggie and Milos and others... Looks like it's research time to find appropriate labs.
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| − | ===Do they, in fact, expect the change to be temporary, with seasonal therapy to replace the dying "donor" cells, or do they expect this to be permanent?===
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| − | This is experimental. They don't know. They're HOPING for it to hold... But since the collapse of Seattle their research was halted. And now you're taking it away from them.
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| − | ===If they /do/ expect therapy to be ongoing, where are they keeping the stash of frozen Maggie cells?===
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| − | ===Also: how long do they anticipate the turnover period being? A week? A month? Three months? A year?===
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| − | This is experimental. They don't know. They're HOPING for it to hold... But since the collapse of Seattle their research was halted. And now you're taking it away from them.
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| − | This WAS the goal. But... This is experimental. They don't know. They're HOPING for it to hold... But since the collapse of Seattle their research was halted. And now you're taking it away from them.
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| − | "YES" meaning - that Yes there is a decay rate for GODLIKE ENERGY overall. Just because Brian has immunity to aging doesnot mean he will live forever... a LONG TIME for sure but not forever. That synchs with our campaign, being a little more realistic in nature with the powers. As for the decay rate of Maggie and Milos' DNA - it's still in the experimental phases. They just don't know yet.
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