Editing Locus Aster Logs 8-19-07 pt2

[21:59] <Andrea> Anything leap out at anyone?  If not, we can 

continue discussing general Imperial concept.

[22:00] <PowerofTropes> Here, Passionate leaps out at me.

[22:00] <PowerofTropes> Now allow me to read what that means, heh

[22:00] [Michael-HG] Careful.  It might bite.

[22:00] [Michael-HG] Those leaping things...

[22:00] <Andrea> It means that the Imperator allows us to get MPs 

from his/her own Code in addition to our own.

[22:01] [Michael-HG] Does anyone know a word for the defintion of 

'one thing leading to another'?

[22:01] <Andrea> Cause?

[22:02] <Andrea> Progression?

[22:02] <Revenant> causality

[22:02] <PowerofTropes> Causality, yeah

[22:02] <Andrea> Yes, that works better.

[22:02] [Michael-HG] Those are good, thanks.

[22:03] <PowerofTropes> See: theTheory of Narrative Causality

[22:03] <PowerofTropes> "Things happen because the plot says they 

should"

[22:04] <Andrea> Okay, so do people like Passionate for our 

Imperator?

[22:05] <Andrea> We'd get MPs for exemplary service to the Wild, 

though we wouldn't lose MPs for violating it.

[22:05] <Andrea> Except me, I just gain additional MPs for serving 

it, and I still lsoe MPs for violating it.

[22:06] <Andrea> Personally, I liked the positive Mystery Cult 

ones.

[22:07] <Andrea> Harvest is also nice to have as it means you can 

bring in MPs without Nettling.  I didn't see our current concept 

as particularly Harvest-y, though.

[22:08] <Revenant> *nods*

[22:08] <Andrea> The ones mentioned so far are all positive 

traits...  We might want to start thinking of negative traits we 

could tolerate to pay for those.

[22:08] <Liang_Yi> Some I'm looking at are Harvest, Demanding 

(Greek Gods were petualant creatures), Granted Gift, Corrupted 

Mystery Cult (Haimos Aphrodite Katakrino- The Condemned Blood of 

Aphrodite)

[22:08] <Andrea> Any specific Granted Gift in mind?

[22:08] <Liang_Yi> Nah, I just always look at it.

[22:09] <Andrea> Mm.  What about a Granted Handicap?  That would 

help in the paying-for-stuff department.

[22:10] <Liang_Yi> But what would it be?

[22:11]  * Andrea thinks.

[22:11] <PowerofTropes> What would the gift be?

[22:12] <PowerofTropes> I would gladly drop Harvest and Corrupted 

Mystery Cult.  The latter seems really annoying.

[22:13] <Liang_Yi> Regardless of our choices, Imperators are going 

to be very annoying

[22:14] <Revenant> yes, unless it's bland and unassuming

[22:14] <Liang_Yi> Which is annoying in a whole new category, and 

the purpose of Harvest is to be able to reap DMP

[22:14] <Liang_Yi> 's faster to buy off those annoying traits

[22:15] <Andrea> We're probably dealing with the incarnation of 

Vanity (among other things) here.  It's not going to be bland.

[22:16] <Liang_Yi> DP's I mean

[22:16] <Andrea> Maybe Passionate, Harvest, Demanding, Granted 

Handicap?  I'm somewhat uncertain what the Handicap should be, but 

even a Granted Gift comes with a Handicap, and it gives us MP, so 

it seems like a less onerous negative one to take.

[22:17] <Andrea> As for the specific Handicap, when we design the 

Chancel that might suggest something.

[22:17] <Andrea> Ditto for a Granted Gift.

[22:17] <Liang_Yi> It's Aphrodite, we might have "Respectful: 

Unable to interfere with True Love' or something.

[22:18] <Revenant> sounds good

[22:18] <Andrea> There's a thought.  Although Respectul is an 

Imperator Property, probably best to name it something else.

[22:18] <Liang_Yi> The Windflower Law suffers where we walk.. and 

I've already been on trial once. *sigh*

[22:19] <Andrea> So how will this work?  We're unable to knowingly 

interfere?  Or our actions have no affect against true love?

[22:19] <PowerofTropes> The former, I think.

[22:20] <Andrea> The problem with that is 1) Wildlord, not likely 

to restrict choices, and 2) We can still interfere without meaning 

to.

[22:20] <Andrea> There are problems withthe latter, too, but hmm.

[22:21] <Liang_Yi> If we interefere without meaning to, we're 

going to lose something. And they might not consciously limit it. 

It might be a part of her being.

[22:21] <PowerofTropes> Either one raises the question of whether 

Excrucian seduction is true love.

[22:21] <Andrea> Lose something?  Give me an idea of what you mean 

by that.

[22:23] <Liang_Yi> This one has answers, but they are getting to 

complex for 'True Love'

[22:24] <Andrea> I guess it's just tough for me to see how this 

Handicap is going to give us any MPs.

[22:24] <Liang_Yi> It shouldn't

[22:24] <Andrea> Then what's the point?

[22:24] <Liang_Yi> It lets you buy a bigger Imperator power?

[22:24] <Andrea> A Handicap's a tool, the whole point is to give 

MPs.

[22:25] <Andrea> We could make a useless one to get the points, 

but why bother?

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[22:25] <CirclMastr> Damn connection crapped out.

[22:26] <Liang_Yi> LIke I said, there are answers, but they are 

getting to complex for such a narrow topic.

[22:26] [Michael-HG] WB

[22:26] <Andrea> Hm, HG, would Distrusted by Entropy work as a 

Handicap?  Maybe the association with Love makes his servants 

extremely suspicious and watchful of us.

[22:26] <Andrea> Or, alternately...  Aura of Romance:  Crushes, 

affection, and even True Love randomly sprout up in our vicinity, 

and the vicinity of our Anchors.

[22:27] <Liang_Yi> That's a gift

[22:27] <Andrea> That should cause enough problems for us to get a 

good number of MPs out of it.

[22:27] <Andrea> It's not a Gift if you can't control it.

[22:27] <Andrea> There's an exemple in the book, hang on.

[22:28] <Revenant> Yeah that's /bad/ especially with the laws

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[22:28] <Liang_Yi> Not really, the Laws are that _we_ can't fall 

in Love. We are immune to powers, as are all Nobles.

[22:28] [Michael-HG] Something dealing with love would be 

Appropriate as a handycap.  Perhaps the imperators act to try to 

save those estates he could sealed a sort love streak in him or 

something.

[22:29] [Michael-HG] Liang is right though.  Spreading love is 

okay.

[22:29] [Michael-HG] Falling in love is not.

[22:29] <Liang_Yi> Unless you want to stick penetration on it, and 

then we might as well start writing up new characters :)

[22:29] <CirclMastr> Okay, I'm confused.

[22:29] [Michael-HG] About?

[22:30] <CirclMastr> I clearly missed something important, heh.  

What's our Granted Gift and Handicap?

[22:30] <Andrea> We are trying to decide.

[22:30] <Liang_Yi> None yet, it was just a discussion.

[22:31] <Liang_Yi> And honestly Love might not be our best source, 

since unless our Imperator still embodies that and not some other 

power, there's no reason we would manifest it.

[22:31] <Andrea> I guess I was thinking of Visible, on page 132, 

for an example of how supernatural effects can happen without a 

Gift...  But you're right, that's rather less blatant.

[22:31] <Andrea> I've seen it in games via a Restriction, but I 

guess it's not covered in the book one way or another.

[22:31] [Michael-HG] http://wiki.rpg.net/index.php/Locus_Aster if 

anyone wants a look.

[22:32] [Michael-HG] Nothing major, but it's at least proff that I 

do stuff with it :P

[22:32] <Andrea> Oh!  Here!  Page 251.

[22:32] <Andrea> Loosely Anchored in Time is an example of a 

Granted Handicap.

[22:33] <Liang_Yi> Right, which is self affecting. Much different 

from spreading flowers where we walk

[22:33] <Liang_Yi> Oh course spreading flowers would be a 

revaltory trait

[22:34] [Michael-HG] And I will edit the typos in time.

[22:37] <Andrea> Okay, well, if people have problems with the Aura 

of Romance idea it's not needed, I just thought it was a neat 

idea.

[22:38] <Andrea> Any other thoughts for Handicaps?

[22:38] <Andrea> We want one we can all agree on.

[22:38] <Liang_Yi> I'm just not sure it would be more than a 

special effect, not really a gift nor a a handicap.

[22:38] <CirclMastr> Shouldn't the Handicap be something related 

to the Gift we get?

[22:38] <Liang_Yi> Not necessarily

[22:38] <Andrea> We don't need to get a Grante dGift along with a 

Handicap.

[22:39] <Andrea> If we do, it should be related in some way, true, 

but rationalizing can go a long way.  :)

[22:39] <Andrea> If we get a Gift + Handicap, it costs 1 point.

[22:39] <Andrea> If we get just a Handicap, we have one more point 

to play around with.

[22:40] <Liang_Yi> Summonable is always a good granted handicap

[22:40] <Liang_Yi> A few ancient greek scrolls here, and poof.

[22:40] <Andrea> Possible.  Summonable together with Corrupted 

Cult is asking fro trouble, though.

[22:40] <Liang_Yi> I thought cult was voted out

[22:40] <CirclMastr> I'm opposed to Cult

[22:41] <Andrea> I'm not clear on whether we've voted out anything 

yet.  People have suggested things, but nothing's finaized as far 

as I know.

[22:41] [Michael-HG] I'm opposed to opposition.

[22:41] <Liang_Yi> Harvest, Passionate, Demanding, Summonable

[22:41] [Michael-HG] ;)

[22:41] <Liang_Yi> Sounds pretty fickle to me

[22:42] <Revenant> we're all summonable?

[22:42] <CirclMastr> I've got a big picture of Hollywood writers 

summoning Tropes for script ideas, heh.

[22:42] <Liang_Yi> We would be yes.

[22:42] <Revenant> I'd end up killing whoever summond me.

[22:42] <Revenant> ^.^

[22:42] <Revenant> I'm the genie of the dark!

[22:42] <Andrea> If we really can't think of anything better than 

Summonable, and if everyone else is okay with it, I could go along 

with that.  But I was hoping for something a bit more creative.

[22:43] [Michael-HG] Summonable sounds so fun.

[22:43] [Michael-HG] "Nono!  We just rolled the dice I swear!"

[22:43] <CirclMastr> "Oh powerful spirit of Tropes, please send 

guidance to your loyal servant and his Spider-Man 4 script!"

[22:43] <Liang_Yi> Nothing stops us from killing them, I mean, we 

aren't taking trapped in a damn circle.

[22:44] <Andrea> Course not.  It's just inconvenient to be whisked 

elsewhere all the time.

[22:44] <Liang_Yi> I'd said it would take a reading from some 

greek play dealing with our estate with the intent to summon

[22:44] <Revenant> Awesome! Deathklok CD!

[22:44] <CirclMastr> All greek plays have tropes in them, though.

[22:45] <CirclMastr> I'd be summoned all the damn time, heh.

[22:45] <Liang_Yi> Only if they meant to summon you and not one of 

us.

[22:45] [Michael-HG] "Incomprehensibility is interesting.

[22:45] <Revenant> I don't mind sumonable.

[22:45] <Liang_Yi> I think Metamorphosis and Chaos will have it 

the worst. 'read read read.. wow I wish that would happen to me'

[22:46] <Liang_Yi> And poof it does... be careful what you wish 

for

[22:48]  * Liang_Yi edits her character sheet with her new disad.

[22:49] <Andrea> So everyone's good with Summonable as our Granted 

Handicap?  That's fine I suppose.

[22:50] <CirclMastr> I'm fine with it.

[22:51] <CirclMastr> How many Realm points have we got, all told?

[22:51] <Andrea> Okay then.  Are we decided on the four properties 

Liang listed?  Harvest, Passionate, Demanding, Granted Handicap 

(Summonable)?

[22:51] <CirclMastr> Let me double check them so I know what they 

are, heh

[22:52] <Andrea> I have two Realm points to put into the pot.  

Tropes had five I think.  How many did Chaos have?

[22:52] <Liang_Yi> I have 1

[22:53] <Revenant> What's granted Handicap do?

[22:53] <CirclMastr> We're all Summonable

[22:53] <Revenant> oh okay

[22:54] <CirclMastr> Demanding is going to be annoying, heh.

[22:54] <Liang_Yi> Might not want to advertise that, unless you 

are ready to leave a bloody trail of annoying mortals

[22:54] <Andrea> Very true.  Chestfut Law can get annoying too.

[22:54] <Liang_Yi> All the Imperator Disads are annoying :)

[22:55] <CirclMastr> Which is the Chestnut Law?

[22:55] <Andrea> After all, maiming someone isn't precisely eight 

times as bad as interrputing your shower.  Now, if you can trick 

them into disrespecting you...

[22:55] <Andrea> Chestnut is "You shall not harm those who have 

done no harm."

[22:56] <Andrea> If someone does harm, you're allowed to visit 

precisely eight times as much harm on them.

[22:56] <Liang_Yi> No, but trapping them without a shower for 8 

days is perfectly reasonable

[22:56] <Andrea> Ah, true!

[22:57] <Andrea> So hmm.  How many points of Realm does Revenant 

have?

[22:57] <Andrea> We have eight Chancel points so far, plus Chaos's 

and maybe Vanity's.

[22:58] <Liang_Yi> Let's see, water is a female force. I introduce 

sever gynophobia into them centered on the gender of water. I give 

it a expiration. I'm sure they will still eventually drink, I 

mean.. that's pure survival instinct.

[22:58] [Michael-HG] Chaos has 0

[22:58] <Andrea> Okay.  Eight points then, I guess.

[22:59] <Liang_Yi> lesser creation of Gender, time to catch a bus 

home.

[22:59] <Andrea> You just spent the MP you got from the summon, 

though.

[22:59] <Liang_Yi> So? It was worth it

[22:59] <Andrea> Fair enough.  :)

[23:01] <Andrea> So now the Chancel...  Do people have suggestions 

for that?  I'd say our Tempest has final say, before the HG.

[23:01] <Liang_Yi> Then I have Billy stalk them until they crack.

[23:01] <Revenant> Personally, I'd just create chaos and go "No 

idea if it was a boon or not, his own fault, I warned him"

[23:01] <CirclMastr> Being inexperienced, I'm hoping to hear good 

advice.

[23:02] [Michael-HG] Dont stick your finger in the light socket.

[23:02] [Michael-HG] Unless you like that sort of thing.  Then, by 

all means, please do.

[23:02] <CirclMastr> I was thinking more along the lines of "What 

sort of Resources are most beneficial?"

[23:02] [Michael-HG] MP's are benificial.

[23:03] [Michael-HG] You might not need to worry about defence 

much since you have a tempest.

[23:03] <CirclMastr> Mana Mine?

[23:03] <CirclMastr> Defender's Blessing would be nice, given that 

we generally have low Spirit.

[23:04] [Michael-HG] Though Void, who killed the imperator of 

Tropes and Chaos before their absorbtion might at some point make 

a move.

[23:04] [Michael-HG] You all might also consider some easy 

entrances to your chancel since no one is a gate maker.

[23:04] [Michael-HG] <since>

[23:04] [Michael-HG] Inless you really like rideing Greyhound...

[23:05] <CirclMastr> Yeah, I can see us wanting Convenient for all 

the times we're summoned...

[23:05] <Andrea> Okay, Conveninet is 2 points...  Defender's 

Blesing is 2 per level.

[23:05] [Michael-HG] Whos the tempest?

[23:05] <Liang_Yi> Convenient, Defender's Blessing,  Mana Mine, 

Faery Magic+Alchemy all good for a greek chancel built on change

[23:05] <CirclMastr> Me.

[23:06] [Michael-HG] Kay.

[23:08] <CirclMastr> I'm disinclined toward Faery Magic given that 

I can do Lesser Creations at will, practically.

[23:08] <Liang_Yi> Technological rarity might give us some points, 

since none of us are particularly based on any kind of modern tech 

we'd need in a Chancel

[23:08] <Andrea> Maybe High Summonings, rather than Alchemy?  

After all, our Imperator made us summonable...  Maybe she did that 

so that, in symmetry, her own summonings would be more powerful.

[23:09] <Liang_Yi> Alchemy, which is a powerful 'real' magic, 

requires a base magic for it to attack to

[23:09] <CirclMastr> Same for High Summonings

[23:09] <CirclMastr> It's cost-prohibitive, in my mind.

[23:09] <Andrea> Technological Rarity applies to magic too, just 

pointing out...  But we could still know magic, others wouldn't.

[23:09] <Liang_Yi> Gender, Metamorphosis and Chaos are all aspects 

of Alchemy

[23:09] <Liang_Yi> Tech rarity keeps things from coming in, not 

going out.

[23:10] <Andrea> I'm not following.  Are you thinking of a 

Technology Barrier?

[23:10] <Andrea> Tech rarity is described as "Magic and modern 

technology are nearly unknown in Chancel."

[23:10] <Andrea> PAge 142

[23:11] <Liang_Yi> Sorry, tech barriar

[23:12] <Andrea> Anyway, CirclMastr, what's wrong with High 

Summonings?  It's not like any Noble miracle can duplicate the 

powers of things summoned from the Lands Beyond.

[23:12] <Andrea> If you don't like it, that's fine, just curious.

[23:12] <Liang_Yi> Which I was reading wrong, so ignore it, it's 

nota  negative. :)

[23:13] <CirclMastr> Like I said, it just seems too cost-

prohibitive to me.  Especially given that High Summoning is 

described as "generally unwise" and we already have a Demanding 

imperator.

[23:13] <Andrea> Fair enough.

[23:13] <CirclMastr> I've got big pictures of summoning nameless 

horrors and the Imperator jumping in with "Let's keep it!"

[23:13] <Andrea> What about Alchemy?  Maybe we could take it with 

Normal Magic?

[23:13] <Liang_Yi> Normal magic is 3, fairy magic is 2... jsut 

being thrifty

[23:13] <CirclMastr> That's even more expensive, and requires us 

to devote MPs to it.

[23:14] <CirclMastr> I guess I'm still stuck on a more basic 

question of "Why are we wanting magic again?"

[23:14] <Revenant> because magic allows us to do things without 

expending MP's

[23:15] <Revenant> and lets our chancel people do it too

[23:15] <Liang_Yi> I'm just throwing ideas.

[23:15] <Andrea> Fair enough.  They're your Realm points.

[23:15] <CirclMastr> You're still expending MPs though.

[23:15] <CirclMastr> Just from a different attribute.

[23:15] <Andrea> You don't need to until you use quite a few 

spells and then one will fully refresh you.

[23:16] <Andrea> But in any case, it was just an idea.  So hmm.  

Mana mine -- everyone good with that?  How many levels do we want?

[23:17] [Michael-HG] Who has some examples of Normal Magic in 

action?  I dont see any good ones in the book that show how 

effective that magic can be and what it's limit is.

[23:18] <Andrea> I'm afraid I'm not sure exactly.  It hasn't come 

up yet in a game I've played in.

[23:18] <Revenant> no you don't spend MP's using magic.

[23:18] <CirclMastr> What sort of MPs does Mana Mine generate?  

Realm, or any sort?

[23:18] [Michael-HG] It sounds like it's basically low level 

miricles.

[23:18] <Revenant> and magic is up to the HG

[23:19] <Andrea> I believe that Mana Mine can give any sort of 

Miracle Point.

[23:19] <Liang_Yi> Any kind you want to harvest it for, cost is 

one point per MP per session

[23:19] <Liang_Yi> up to 5

[23:20] <CirclMastr> At this point I'm leaning toward 2 for that, 

2 for Convenient entrances, and the rest for Defender's Blessing.

[23:21] <Andrea> I could go with that.  Do we want a Technology 

Barrier, though?

[23:21] <Andrea> That would be an additional point.  We might be 

able to pay for it with Technological Rarity.

[23:22] <CirclMastr> We don't need to worry about having tech toys 

of our own?  (Like, say, vehicles to pick us up when we're 

summoned instead of the Greyhound? heh)

[23:22] <Andrea> An hm.  We still need to decide on the appearance 

of the Chancel.  Aster implies it's fairly diverse -- maybe each 

of us designs a part of it?

[23:23] <Andrea> Well, that's a thought.  No Tech Barrier it is, 

then.

[23:24] <CirclMastr> Heh, I just had a thought.

[23:24] <Andrea> Oh?

[23:24] [Michael-HG] Thoughts are good for the brain.

[23:24] <CirclMastr> Chancel designed in such a way as to resemble 

a theme park.  But instead of Tomorrowland and Fantasyland and 

all, there's Chaosland, Tropesland, Metamorphosisland, etc, of 

each of our owns' design.

[23:25] <CirclMastr> Each branching off the from the 'Main Street' 

hub.

[23:25] [Michael-HG] At least untill Chaos does some major 

remodling when everyone is out ;)

[23:25] <Liang_Yi> You'll adore Genderland, I wouldn't recommend 

visiting without calling first.

[23:26] <CirclMastr> Hey, I'm a Tempest, I can fix or stop 

whatever leaking might occur. ;)

[23:26] <Liang_Yi> Anyone want to set up a chancelfolk trade 

program? Mine get tired so quickly.

[23:27] <CirclMastr> Sorry, my chancelfolk are specifically 

designed characters in specifically designed roles.  But you can 

borrow The Wesley when he gets annoying.

[23:27] [Michael-HG] Perhaps not a theme park.  Maybe city 

districts.

[23:27] <Andrea> Okay, sorry to do9 this, but if there's a 

Metamorphosisland we just have to take Magical Inhabitants.

[23:28] <Andrea> I don't want to be limited to the typical human 

form.  ;)

[23:28] <CirclMastr> Why?  They just live there, nobody said they 

had control over it.  You can have fun with them yourself, heh.

[23:28] <Andrea> Magical Inhabitants is required for Chancelfo0lk 

who aren't human.

[23:29] <Andrea> For example, the plantfolk in the Treachery 

campaign wer ebought that way.

[23:29] <CirclMastr> I'm not sure that "humans who got changed 

into something else by a Power" count as nonhuman in that sense.

[23:29] [Michael-HG] Not quite.  You can make chancel folk look 

how you want.

[23:29] [Michael-HG] Magical inhabitants give them powers.

[23:30] <CirclMastr> "Butterfly-Human hybrids live in my chancel" 

is not the same as "I gave my chancelfolk butterfly wings"

[23:30] <Liang_Yi> Mine generally look miserable, so I have them 

wear these little helmets that make them smile.

[23:30] <Liang_Yi> A little hook in the right cheek, a little hook 

in the left cheek. HAPPY!

[23:32] <Andrea> You make decent points, but I'd really prefer for 

some of them to have some magic going beyond the norm.  We don't 

need the higher levels of it or anything.

[23:32] <Andrea> Is it really excessive for me to provide 2 

Chancel Points and want to spend one according to how I want?

[23:33] <CirclMastr> Eh, fine, let's drop Mana Mine to 1 then.

[23:33] <Andrea> We can always pay for MAna Mine 2 with a 

disadvantage.

[23:34] <Andrea> Though...  I don't really see much that fits that 

well, for disadvantages.

[23:34] <Andrea> So, dropping Mana Mine to 1 is fine.

[23:34] <Andrea> Unless someone has a different idea.

[23:35] [Michael-HG] Banes are decent disadvantages.

[23:35] <CirclMastr> I'll stick with dropping Mana Mine to 1.

[23:36] <Andrea> So, everyone good with Mana Mine 1, Defender's 

Blessing 2, Convenient, Magical Inhabitants 1?

[23:36] <Liang_Yi> Or grab a Radiant or Realm's Heart as a back up 

Landlord for when we're on the away missions, getting red shirts 

killed

[23:36] <Revenant> kk..

[23:37] <Andrea> I wouldn't mind a one-point Erus, but not sure if 

there's a clear role for him or her, given that the place is so 

diverse.

[23:39] <Liang_Yi> To sit on the bridge and make sure the place 

doesn't self destruct when we aren't there to keep Chaos and 

Tropes from rewritting each other's borders randomly.

[23:39] <CirclMastr> You say that like I'm a troublemaker.

[23:39] <Andrea> So who's the Erus?  Maybe a Priest or Priestess 

of Aphrodite?

[23:39] <Andrea> Or, what name did we settle on?  Aster?

[23:40] <Liang_Yi> They could be a remnant of the Other Chancel.

[23:40] <Andrea> Hmm, someone who helped out at a crucial point 

during the Rescue, and was rewarded?

[23:40] <Andrea> That what you're thinking?

[23:40] <CirclMastr> Wait, why are we getting a disadvantage?

[23:41] <Andrea> Well, we're throwig ideas around.

[23:41] <Andrea> This way we wouldn't need to drop Mana Mine to 1.

[23:41] <Andrea> It's your call, though.

[23:41] <Revenant> I'd rather have Mana Mine higher

[23:41] <Liang_Yi> It's kind of like building a character with no 

disadvantages. Possible, but ultimately boring.

[23:42] <Andrea> True.

[23:42] <CirclMastr> Could get two Banes and stick one in 

Metamorphosisland and one in Chaosland. ;)

[23:43] <Liang_Yi> And we're talking an Erus here with no more 

power than me, he'd only have real power when the tempest was gone 

anyway. Of course you treat him bad and the excrucians would be 

all over his ass corrupting him.

[23:44] <Liang_Yi> And here on the border of Chaos and 

Metamorphosis you will see the Scylla and Charibdes to your right. 

Please keep your hands and feet inside the vehical

[23:47] <Andrea> Banes could work for me, if you prefer them.  I'm 

not that fond of them, but they do make things somewhat 

interesting.

[23:47] <CirclMastr> Hey, I'm fine taking no disadvantages.

[23:48] <Andrea> What do people prefer?

[23:48] <CirclMastr> I prefer what we've got now.

[23:49] <Liang_Yi> Mana mine is okay, not terribly important to 

me, but I'd like to have at least one disadvantage just to make 

life interesting at home

[23:49] <Andrea> Maybe we should pencil the no-disadvantage 

version in for now, and wait till we know who our fifth player is 

going to be for a final decision?

[23:49] <Liang_Yi> But, and here's the deal, we can choose a way 

for the the HG to screw us in our Chancel and get a point or two 

from it, or not choose one, and get screw anyway.

[23:50] <CirclMastr> We're already getting screwed with the 

Imperator, heh.

[23:50] <Andrea> That's actually a very good point.

[23:50] <Andrea> Whatever happens, there will be drama an 

problems.

[23:51] <Liang_Yi> Home is going to be a source of conflict, it 

will either be conflict we expect, and can plan for, or conflict 

that bites out ass.. the conflict's not going away because we 

ignore it.

[23:51] <Andrea> If we pick Banes or an Erus we at least have some 

direction over what those might be.

[23:51] <Andrea> Oh, thought!

[23:51] <CirclMastr> I doubt the HG will impose a cap on the 

number of problems we can have at once, and we somehow come out 

ahead if we create a problem ourselves.

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[23:54] <Andrea> (Thought reposted for HG)  There is a focus with 

Realm in it, that the Imperator broke into five pieces.  One piece 

is hidden in each of the five corners of the Chancel.  When one 

person collects all five, they become the Erus, until the 

Imperator tires of them, shatters the focus, and leaves the former 

Erus whith the memory of power but no power remaining.

[23:54] <CirclMastr> All I can think in reply is "Captain Planet"

[23:54] <Andrea> In practice, this woul mean that the Erus could 

be bought off, then reinstituted when we needed to pay for 

something, then bought off again...

[23:55] <Andrea> But it seems to fit with the theme of variety.

[23:55] <Andrea> It might be too complex, let me know if that's 

the case.

[23:55] [Michael-HG] The Erus would be a permanent fixture unless 

killed.

[23:55] <Andrea> Wait, so we can't buy the Erus off with Chancel 

Points?

[23:56] [Michael-HG] The idea behnad a land lord is that they 

become increasingly annoing as the game goes on, not less annoing.

[23:57] <CirclMastr> All the more reason to not get one.

[23:57] [Michael-HG] Not so.

[23:57] <Andrea> Well, i you want to houserule that it's fine with 

me.  Page 154 says you can, but it's your game.

[23:57] <CirclMastr> I'm reasserting my desire to stick with the 

no-disabilities version, at least for now.

[23:57] [Michael-HG] A mana mine becomes increasingly useful.

[23:58] [Michael-HG] If you leave the points there for a good time 

you have a great 

[23:58] <Revenant> I really want what we've worked on, compaired 

to "no disabilities"

[23:58] [Michael-HG] 'bank' for when shit hits the fan.

[23:58] <Andrea> Well, we haven't actually picked a disability.  

Just discussed them.

[23:59] <CirclMastr> We already have a mana mine, just a smaller 

one.

[23:59] <CirclMastr> AND we have a Harvest Imperator.

[23:59] <CirclMastr> We have no shortage of points to accumulate, 

here.

[23:59] <Revenant> what about the 4 things we picked earlier?

[00:00] <Andrea> This makes sense.  If the HG isn't going to let 

us buy off disadvantages wityh experience, I have to say I'm 

against Eruses and/or Banes as well.

[00:00] [Michael-HG] Banes, while annoing, are mostly story hooks.

[00:00] <Revenant> Peeves from Harry Potter is a bane.

[00:00] <Revenant> not bad, just annoying.

[00:00] <Andrea> 4 things?  You mean Convenient, Magical 

Inhabitants, Mana Mine, Defender's Blessing?

[00:01] <Andrea> We're definitely getting those.  We were 

discussing whether to add one or more disadvantages and get 

another point of mana mine.

[00:01] <CirclMastr> At any rate, I have classes in the morning 

and must now to bed.  Consider my vote a 'no' on any disability 

until we hear from Vanity or the like.

[00:02] <Andrea> Have a good night.

[00:02] <CirclMastr> Good night all.

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