Locus Aster Logs 8-19-07

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*** Opened channel log for #Locus-Aster at 8/19/2007 7:40:24 PM [19:40] *** Michael-HG has joined #Locus-Aster [19:40] *** Mode change [+nt] on #Locus-Aster by aurora.sorcery.net [19:50] *** Liang_Yi has joined #Locus-Aster [19:50] *** SophiaAnieri has joined #Locus-Aster [19:50] *** SophiaAnieri has left #Locus-Aster [19:50] [Michael-HG] Greetings Liang_Yi [19:50] *** AdamG has joined #Locus-Aster [19:51] <AdamG> Sorry, another roleplaying character I had open on another server. I meant to open a new server window to come here, but I did it kinda clumsily. [19:51] <Liang_Yi> Hello [19:51] *** Phantasm has joined #Locus-Aster [19:51] <AdamG> I need to figure a name for my character... [19:52] <Liang_Yi> Names are good. [19:52] [Michael-HG] You need to get me the character sheet too :P [19:52] *** Phantasm is now known as Nobody-74C150 [19:52] [Michael-HG] Hello Sir, Nobody. [19:53] <Nobody-74C150> I'm not notbody [19:53] <Nobody-74C150> O.o [19:53] <AdamG> I had a concept for you. I'm waiting to stat her out until I hear what the others' stats will be, as that helps me decide what'd be helpful... [19:54] <Nobody-74C150> i'm pawndisc [19:55] <AdamG> Ah, good to meet you. You've had a lot of good posts to the list. [19:55] <Nobody-74C150> thanks :D [19:57] <Liang_Yi> I worked on my sheet and the wiki until way to early this morning. I think I went to bed when you went to work [19:57] <AdamG> We have a wiki already? [19:57] <AdamG> No one tells me these things. ^^; [19:58] <Nobody-74C150> Yeah wikitastic [19:58] <AdamG> URL? [19:59] [Michael-HG] Sorry guys, I was in my own world of formatting information. [19:59] <AdamG> It's not a problem. [19:59] [Michael-HG] http://wiki.rpg.net/index.php/Locus_Aster [20:00] [Michael-HG] I havent had a chance to get anything up. But that is the main page for this campaign which will have some info about it, links to your character info and other formated goodness as things move along. [20:00] <AdamG> Ah, so just a root page for now. Well, thanks for setting that up; it'll be helpful later. [20:02] * AdamG thinks. [20:02] <Liang_Yi> There's _something_ there, but not much. Unless I count as much [20:02] <AdamG> Do you have a character page up, then? [20:03] <Nobody-74C150> what's there i didn't seeany links [20:03] <Liang_Yi> I don't have much else of a reason for staying away until noon. It was on the wrong page, I just move it [20:03] <Liang_Yi> away=up [20:05] [Michael-HG] Alright, let me tell you what I have so far. The imperator of Tropes, Chaos, and other things was killed when an Excurcian broke through the chancel defenses and found the Imperators heart. [20:05] <AdamG> Power of Gender? Interesting. [20:05] [Michael-HG] The Imperator of Metempophasis, Vanity. And Gender rescused the powers of Chaos and Tropes and thus absorbed their estates as his own. This absorption was pretty rough though so some powers may have died. [20:06] [Michael-HG] Thus can characters be new to the world of Nobilis, or they could have existed for some time before our game starts. [20:06] <Nobody-74C150> mmm Metemphorphasis, Vanity and Gender go together well. [20:06] [Michael-HG] I thought so. [20:08] <AdamG> Well, my idea for the Power of Metamorphosis was that the Imperator decided a woman who'd transformed herself from a man by the usual surgical procedures was the best expression of the Estate. So Gender also being an Estate of the same Ymera just makes it more appropriate. [20:09] <AdamG> She follows the Wild, of course, believing that everyone must express their own truth and social rules be damned. [20:10] * Liang_Yi pouts, "I just ate someone's heart in a filthy alley." [20:11] * Liang_Yi smiles. [20:11] [Michael-HG] Different codes will be fine. Aster is the flower of variety afterall. More then likely the Imererator will be Wild so that the characters will be free to follow their own codes. [20:12] <AdamG> My idea for her appearance, post-Commencement, was a humanoid woman with butterfly wings, but I'm a little uncertain because I'm not sure I have the points for Aspect 2 and having an inhuman appearance without the abiity to Guise easily might be tough. [20:13] [Michael-HG] So you want her to have been a chancel resident? [20:13] <AdamG> No, not a Chancel resident originally. She was changed by Commencement. [20:14] [Michael-HG] OH, haha. I had my post and pre mixed up for some odd reason. [20:14] <AdamG> Ah, okay. [20:14] <Nobody-74C150> I thought you guised automagically? [20:15] <AdamG> It's an Aspect 2 Miracle and never automatic. [20:15] <AdamG> Unless of course you have a Gift to do it automatically. [20:15] [Michael-HG] That is possible. [20:15] <AdamG> Which would be... *counts* 1 CP. [20:16] <Nobody-74C150> yay for flawed [20:16] <Nobody-74C150> *has a weird version of guising* [20:18] [Michael-HG] Pawn, your Revenant right? [20:18] <Nobody-74C150> yes [20:18] <AdamG> I might switch a point from Realm to Spirit if we don't need quite as many Chancel Points, but... Right now I'm thinking Aspect 2, Domain 4, Realm 2, Spirit 0. [20:19] <AdamG> And a one-point gift, either Shapeshifting or Flight. [20:20] [Michael-HG] I think Pawn was hopeing to have the higest Domain. [20:20] <Liang_Yi> Aspect 1, Domain 3, Realm 1, Spirit 2 - Immutable, Glorious, and a CP left over for later experience. [20:21] <Nobody-74C150> I like having a high domain. [20:21] <AdamG> I think that leaves two left over. [20:21] * AdamG counts again. [20:21] <Liang_Yi> You do what you can with 25 points :) [20:22] <Nobody-74C150> 25 points so small [20:22] <AdamG> It can do a lot, though. [20:22] [Michael-HG] So, AdamG, if you want to take your domain down a notch then Pawn has 5 to cover. [20:22] <Liang_Yi> You can do average, or you can do good and pathetic. :) [20:22] <Nobody-74C150> lol [20:22] [Michael-HG] And with Liang at 3, I'm really thinking an invasion of Aster would be a bad idea. [20:22] <AdamG> It hardly matters if his domain is higher or not. Different Estates do different things. [20:23] [Michael-HG] I'm sorry, I ment realm. [20:23] [Michael-HG] Disreguard all that. [20:23] <AdamG> Oh, all right. [20:23] <AdamG> Gotcha. [20:24] * Michael-HG shoots himself in the head and comically has gun powder all over his face. [20:24] <Nobody-74C150> aaaah, realm, the domain of everything in the chancel [20:24] <AdamG> Personally, I find Realm 2 rather useful due to the ability to contact ones Familia from afar, without relying on Anchors as messengers. [20:26] <AdamG> I'm currently debating what to drop to take Spirit 1 so that can I have some sort of Auctoritas and two anchors. [20:26] [Michael-HG] Did someone say they had their charcter on- line for the wiki? [20:26] <AdamG> Liang. [20:26] [Michael-HG] Oh I see. [20:27] <Liang_Yi> The wiki links to the character, the wiki is full of my ramblings [20:27] *** CirclMastr has joined #Locus-Aster [20:27] <CirclMastr> Hey all [20:28] <AdamG> Greetings. [20:28] <Liang_Yi> Konichiwa [20:28] [Michael-HG] Greetings, CircleMastr. [20:28] <CirclMastr> What'd I miss? I just got the email. [20:28] [Michael-HG] Would you like a log of what we have discused so far? [20:28] <CirclMastr> Please. [20:29] * CirclMastr objects to everything you've already decided on. [20:29] <Liang_Yi> But.. we decided you were in the game... why would you do that? [20:29] <Liang_Yi> Seems, counterproductive. [20:30] <CirclMastr> I am inscrutable that way. [20:30] [Michael-HG] Well, looks like we have to start all over. [20:30] [Michael-HG] :/ [20:30] [Michael-HG] Let me send an e-mail to the list. [20:30] [Michael-HG] haha [20:31] [Michael-HG] AdamG, did the file go through? [20:31] <CirclMastr> Doesn't seem like much was discussed anyway. [20:31] [Michael-HG] No, wrong tab. [20:32] [Michael-HG] We knew you were going to object to everything so we kept it down :P [20:32] <CirclMastr> Heh [20:33] [Michael-HG] Does anyone mind spectators, one at least, during sessions? [20:33] <AdamG> I don't mind. [20:33] <Liang_Yi> ibid. [20:33] [Michael-HG] 'ibid'? [20:34] <AdamG> Means "the same," I'm pretty sure. Though no clue what the original Latin means. [20:34] <AdamG> Also, it's thundering where I am, so if I get disconnected, likely my Net or power went out. [20:35] <Nobody-74C150> can I harass said spectator for being a wussy? [20:35] <Nobody-74C150> >> [20:35] <Nobody-74C150> *j/k* [20:35] <Liang_Yi> ibidem, the same place. [20:35] <CirclMastr> Okay, read the log. [20:35] <CirclMastr> I don't mind a spectator. [20:35] <CirclMastr> Though I'll qualify that by saying upfront that I'm a newbie so I shouldn't be judged harshly. >_> [20:35] <Liang_Yi> I agreed with Adam as a footnote citation. [20:36] <Liang_Yi> because ditto has been taken over by undesirables. [20:36] <AdamG> Anyway, I have a name, I think. Andrea Pamela Morgan, Domina of Metamorphosis. She chose the name "Andrea" herself, and "Pamela" is based on her birth name. [20:37] <AdamG> Oh, and hm, I think I have an idea for her first Anchor, too. [20:38] <CirclMastr> My as-yet-unnamed Power of Tropes has Aspect 0, Domain 2, Realm 5, Spirit 0, and Immortal for a Gift. [20:38] <AdamG> Can an Anchor be a former member of the Cammora? (I'm pretty sure they'd kick him out after he was anchored.) [20:38] <AdamG> That's 27 points, CirclMastr. [20:39] <CirclMastr> He also has a Focus. [20:39] <CirclMastr> (The two points of Domain are invested in it) [20:39] <AdamG> Foci don't give character points. [20:39] [Michael-HG] We might have a slot open for another player since I havent heard from one since he said he wanted to play. So I'm going to invite said spectator in to see if he likes us. [20:39] <CirclMastr> ? [20:39] <AdamG> Foci give extra miracle points, not character points. [20:39] <Nobody-74C150> nothing gives additional character points [20:39] <CirclMastr> Well, that's a kick in the pants. [20:40] [Michael-HG] Yes, something does give extra charater points. [20:40] <Liang_Yi> That would be okay with me [20:40] <AdamG> Well, playing does. [20:40] <AdamG> I don't know of anything else -- might be wrong. [20:40] <Liang_Yi> Killing people with my mind does. [20:41] *** Phil_N_DeBlanc has joined #Locus-Aster [20:41] <Liang_Yi> Howdy ho Ranger Joe [20:42] [Michael-HG] No, you guys are right. [20:42] * Phil_N_DeBlanc waves. "Just here to watch. Shutting up now." [20:42] [Michael-HG] I was misreading this for ever. [20:42] [Michael-HG] Wheres that gun now... [20:42] [Michael-HG] Hiya, Kenya-Man. [20:42] <CirclMastr> Well then, disregard whatever I said. [20:43] [Michael-HG] Focus only gives MP. Still not a bad deal though. [20:43] <Liang_Yi> One of the reasons 25 points can be... problematic :) [20:45] [Michael-HG] Former members of the Cammora probably -can- be anchors, but why would they want to be? The Cammora have a lot of power as it is. Also, didnt Entropy say not to mess around with them? [20:45] *** AdamG has quit IRC [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] [20:46] *** AdamG has joined #Locus-Aster [20:46] [Michael-HG] WB [20:46] <AdamG> Sorry about that, power flickered. [20:46] <AdamG> Anyway, I think I have a name... Did that get out before I disconnected? [20:47] <Liang_Yi> Unless he was former before being anchored. [20:47] <AdamG> Hm, the Entropy thing is a decent point. I was thinking the anchoring was rather unwanted. [20:48] <AdamG> That does kind of violate the Code of the Wild, but then, she hated her father quite a lot... [20:48] [Michael-HG] I dont know how I would feel about it myself. Even if former he would have contacts with the Commora, and the whole idea of dealing with them is that the cost is very high. [20:48] <AdamG> However, might be best to make him not a Cammoran. Even if less interesting, that saves trouble. [20:49] * CirclMastr has no idea what to look for in making an anchor [20:49] <AdamG> If you prefer it that's what I'll do. I was just wondering if it might make things more interesting and easier to hang story hooks on. [20:51] <AdamG> So, let's see, trying to remember what I said befrore I dced... Andrea Pamela Morgan was her name after transition. I'm thinking she might change it to Andrea Pamela Aster after Commencement. She doesn't like her mortal family much at all, since they basically disowned her. [20:51] [Michael-HG] CirclMastr, Anchors can be anyone. Usually you want someone with some form of skills. Someone that is not well known, and someone that you either love or hate. [20:51] [Michael-HG] And someone that, in some degree, has something to do with your estate. [20:51] <Nobody-74C150> Aren't the Cammora Entropy's Anchors? [20:52] [Michael-HG] Cammora are a society of people that figured out the truth. [20:52] <AdamG> No, they aren't. They're tools, but there are far too many of them for even Entropy to anchor. [20:52] [Michael-HG] And entropy decided to protect them. [20:52] <AdamG> That's one way to put it. <.< [20:53] <Liang_Yi> Entropy avoids them. [20:53] <Liang_Yi> He can't touch them or they will become useless. [20:53] <Liang_Yi> They are on the verge of uselessness as is, just from his proximity. [20:53] [Michael-HG] Exactly. His influence is still there however, and thus are they very curroupt. [20:53] <AdamG> True... They're tools for a specific task (enforcing the Code Fidelitatis). [20:54] <Liang_Yi> I have a web/media/information anchor, a religous right/doctor/political anchor, and a does ugly nasty dirty work anchor [20:54] <Michael-HG> The Commora do their own thing. They owe loyalty to no one. [20:55] <CircdMastr> Now i'm leaning toward Aspect 0, Domain 2/3, Realm 5, Spirit 0/1, with Durant as a Gift. [20:55] * CirclMastr goes to get book [20:56] <AdamG> Hmm, well my thought was that her father was a younger son of the Morgan banking family, still rather wealthy, if not stratospherically so. And he wanted HIS son to be his heir, but ended up disowning that son when said son told him she was really a woman and bent on becoming one on the outside too. [20:56] <Liang_Yi> hehe, you said bent [20:56] <Liang_Yi> :) [20:56] [Michael-HG] Mmm..bending... [20:56] <AdamG> Um, not intended in that way. [20:57] <AdamG> As in, bent on a particular goal. Very determined. [20:57] <CirclMastr> All I could think of were Bender quotes. [20:57] [Michael-HG] haha, we know :P [20:57] [Michael-HG] Adam, that sounds like an interesting anchor. [20:57] <Liang_Yi> Bent - Opposite of Straight.. I think it fits ;) [20:57] <AdamG> Yeah, no worries about Windflower Law violations here. [20:58] <CirclMastr> I think the Windflower Law is going to be trampled into the ground by this group. [20:58] [Michael-HG] It is by every group :P [20:58] <AdamG> CirclMasteR: You could also consider Eternal, if you want to partially simulate the Immortal Gift. [20:59] <AdamG> Oh, of course it will be. But not in this specific instance. [20:59] <Nobody-74C150> Hey I like the windflower law. [20:59] [Michael-HG] The wildflower law has nothing to do with sex, though. [20:59] <AdamG> Of course not. [20:59] <Liang_Yi> The windflower law likes you too. [21:00] <CirclMastr> I'm more worried about dying instantly from attack than living forever. [21:00] <AdamG> Fair enough. [21:00] <CirclMastr> With Aspect 0, I'm fragile. [21:00] [Michael-HG] Yes, windflower. I said that >.> [21:00] <Nobody-74C150> I have eternal [21:00] <Liang_Yi> You know, if enough people want a 1 point gift, we should really design our Imperator. hint, hint. [21:01] <Liang_Yi> Awww... Liang breaky breaky little power? [21:01] [Michael-HG] AdamG, with aspect 0 stay in the chancel and use your anchor in your stead :P [21:01] <AdamG> I considered Immutable, but I decided it's more in the vein of Metamorphosis to be fully affected by aging and the like. [21:01] <AdamG> And Andrea has Aspect 2, it was CirclMaster who ws considering no Aspect. [21:02] <AdamG> Hm, thinking. [21:02] [Michael-HG] Sorry. Circlemastr, that was for you: 'with aspect 0 stay in the chancel and use your anchor in your stead :P' [21:02] <AdamG> I'll take Aspect 2, Domain 3, Realm 2, Spirit 1. And raise Domain when I have the points. [21:02] [Michael-HG] I am so not used to IRC anymore... [21:03] <AdamG> I like the flavor of Duchess, but increasingly Andrea feels like a Marchessa to me. [21:03] <Liang_Yi> Okay, I know I'm Gender, and Adam is Metamorphosis... so what else we got? [21:03] <CirclMastr> I'm Tropes. [21:03] <AdamG> Protecting existing changes rather than creating them outright. [21:04] <AdamG> Vanity and Chaos, I believe. Not sure which of them is absent tonight. [21:04] <Liang_Yi> Me neither, that's why I'm asking [21:05] [Michael-HG] Chaos and Vanity [21:05] [Michael-HG] Vanity might be out if I dont hear from him. [21:05] <AdamG> Hm, can the previous Metamorphosis have been killed in the Rescue attempt? Andrea "feels" like a new Noble to me. [21:05] [Michael-HG] AdamG, yes. [21:06] <Liang_Yi> Okay, sooo... Nobody is Chaos... yes? [21:06] <AdamG> brb [21:06] [Michael-HG] Liang, yeppers. [21:06] <Liang_Yi> Danke [21:07] <Nobody-74C150> Yes, my name changed on me cand I can't change it back. [21:07] [Michael-HG] Adam, or more then likely, the previous Metamorphosis was not compatible with the new Ymera and either died, or was killed by him? It's up to you though. [21:07] <Liang_Yi> weird /nick won't work? [21:07] [Michael-HG] Nobody, did you do a /nick? [21:08] <AdamG> I thought you said Metamorphosis was one of the original three of Locus Aster? [21:08] <AdamG> That's fine with me, though, if that's preferable. [21:09] [Michael-HG] Yes, but with the new Estates the Imperator is not quite the same being he was before. [21:09] <AdamG> Ah, okay. Interesting. [21:10] <CirclMastr> What are we looking at for an Imperator? [21:10] <AdamG> I still like the idea of her predecessor having died in the Valde Bellum, but that works too. [21:10] [Michael-HG] She could have died protecting the chancel. [21:11] <AdamG> Not sure. I'd personally be okay with just about anything. Prefer something other than a Lightlord or Darklord, though. [21:11] [Michael-HG] Valde Bellum are fought by Imperators, and only rarely do nobles deal with excursians themselves. [21:11] <AdamG> A Rescue attempt is part of the Valde Bellum. [21:11] <AdamG> So is foiling a Flower Rite. [21:12] [Michael-HG] Well it doesnt really to me, really. It's your character :P [21:12] *** Nobody-74C150 is now known as Revenant [21:12] <Revenant> There we go [21:12] [Michael-HG] Yay! ^_^ [21:12] <AdamG> I'd been thinking (s)he had orders to protect Chaos, Tropes, or one of their Familia, and was killed in the process by the Enemy. [21:12] <CirclMastr> Defend me! [21:12] <CirclMastr> I'm Aspect 0 and fragile! [21:13] * Liang_Yi sticks Circle in a box. [21:13] [Michael-HG] Heres some tape. [21:13] <AdamG> Is it tape blessed by the Power of Waterfowl? [21:13] * Liang_Yi mails him to the Locust Court where everything is safe and happy all the time. [21:14] [Michael-HG] The power of Mail doesnt like heavy boxes... [21:14] <AdamG> Hm, so, any other thoughts on the Imperator? [21:14] <Liang_Yi> I thought he was a power of the Wild [21:14] [Michael-HG] More then likely the imperator will be Wild, but it'll be up to you all since he will be your creation, largly. [21:15] <AdamG> I'm torn -- Part of me wants a Wildlord, part wants an Angel, doesn't matter which faction, and part wants an Aaron's Serpent. [21:15] [Michael-HG] Aarons serpents are yummy. [21:15] <Liang_Yi> Metamorphosis and Gender would fit an Angel. [21:16] <Liang_Yi> everchanging combinations and all that rot [21:16] <Liang_Yi> blah blah beauty blah blah [21:16] <AdamG> If Vanity ends up being part of the equation (which is uncertain at this point), that might imply one of the Fallen. [21:16] [Michael-HG] I only mention wild because some Nobles in the Aster Familia will be Angel, Fallen, wild, and what not. You dont have to be the same thing as your Imperator though. [21:16] <Liang_Yi> It's unlikely that they will agree on an Imperator that follows the same code I do, so I'm cool with whatever [21:17] <CirclMastr> I don't even know what code Tropes fits. [21:17] [Michael-HG] I'll play whatever imperator you make. [21:17] <AdamG> I actually wouldn't mind a Fallen Angel -- that might be interesting if somewhat difficult. [21:17] <Revenant> Aaron's serpent! [21:17] <AdamG> Serpent is fine with me. [21:17] <AdamG> What Code does Chaos follow? Wild? [21:17] <Revenant> Dark [21:17] <AdamG> Ah, interesting. [21:18] <Liang_Yi> Philosophical, literary, musical, or linguaistic tropes? [21:18] <AdamG> Hm, that could fit Heaven, if I'm following where you're going with this, Liang. [21:18] <CirclMastr> Literary and other media. TV, movies, etc. [21:19] <AdamG> Probably not Wild. [21:19] <AdamG> You can make up your own Code too, if none of the default five or six fit. [21:19] <Liang_Yi> Tropes would be a Power of Words, it was probably originally Angelic. Though since it was entrusted to Adam, it could have falled to Light or Dark, or Hell... who knows [21:20] <CirclMastr> I'm thinking Hell/Dark at the moment, as the (over)use of tropes marks the death of creativity. [21:20] <Liang_Yi> But each new power can carry it off in a new direction and reinterpret it [21:21] <Liang_Yi> hahah, Puns is a power of hell. Should have known [21:21] <CirclMastr> Puns are the lowest form of comedy. [21:21] <CirclMastr> Really, worse than Chuck Norris jokes. [21:22] <Liang_Yi> Liang follows the Code of the Fallen Angels. [21:22] <CirclMastr> I don't know what that means. [21:22] <Liang_Yi> She serves Hell [21:23] *** Andrea has joined #Locus-Aster [21:23] <CirclMastr> Okay. [21:23] <Andrea> Sorry, another power flicker. [21:23] <Andrea> Going by my character's name makes more sensee anyway. [21:23] *** CirclMastr is now known as UnnamedPowerofTro [21:23] <UnnamedPowerofTro> Damn, doesn't fit [21:23] *** UnnamedPowerofTro is now known as CirclMastr [21:24] <Andrea> Try just "Tropes?" [21:24] <Andrea> If you care to, I mean... [21:24] * Andrea shrugs. [21:24] *** AdamG has quit IRC [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] [21:24] *** CirclMastr is now known as PowerofTropes [21:24] <Liang_Yi> Billy Bob Tropes [21:24] <PowerofTropes> No. [21:24] <Andrea> Anyway, as I was saying, Tropes doesn't need to follow the same Code as his first Imperator, let alone the second. [21:25] <Andrea> If he's a new Power, he might not even know what kind the original Imperator of Tropes was. [21:26] <Andrea> So, any progress on the Imperator frot while I was dced? [21:27] <PowerofTropes> None whatsoever. [21:27] <Andrea> Hm. [21:28] <Andrea> Well, How's this for a suggestion: Which of the seven types of Imperators would people *not* want us to run? That should hopefully narrow the field somewhat. [21:28] <PowerofTropes> Well, I understand Aaron's Serpents the least, so can I vote against that? [21:28] <Andrea> Sure. [21:28] <Revenant> Aaron's serpents are giant freaking dragonsankes ^.^ [21:29] [Michael-HG] Still need a character sheet for Metamorph and Tropes. Do you guys need anymore help getting your thoughts situated about that? [21:29] <Andrea> Personally, I'll vote against a Lightlord. I've played enough Powers in service to Magisters of the Light. [21:29] <Andrea> HG: I posted Andrea's stats earlier. Is there anything else you need? [21:30] [Michael-HG] Just e-mail them to me with your flower design. [21:31] <Andrea> Okay. Not sure of the design yet, so I'll get the book out and work on it while we discuss Imperator business here. [21:31] <Andrea> Liang, Rev, are there any types of Ymera you particularly wouldn't want? [21:32] <Liang_Yi> My Votes would be a Greek True God (Tropes being a greek concepts, and Vanity, Metamorphosis and Gender having definable Greek demi-gods in mythology - Narcissus, Hermaphrodite, etc), an Angel, or a Wildlord. [21:32] <Andrea> Interesting. [21:33] <Liang_Yi> Though obviously a True God means we saddly the HG with crating a Code [21:33] <Liang_Yi> saddle [21:34] <Andrea> We could always think of the Code ourselves. [21:34] <Andrea> HG needs to approve, of course. :) [21:34] <Liang_Yi> and of course for that matter Xaos is a Greek god too [21:35] <Andrea> Well, my thinking is, a Greek god wouldn't have to be a True God in terms of Nobilis, it could be a guise worn by an Angel or Wildlord or even a Noble. [21:35] <Andrea> Though True God certainly works. [21:36] <Liang_Yi> true enough [21:36] [Michael-HG] A true god sounds intereting. It might lend weight as why he'd be powerful enough , and perhaps compelled, to rescue the estates he could. [21:37] <Andrea> Hm, sort of a common theme... What do people think of basing our Imperator on Aphrodite? That wouldn't have to be the name she goes by in this time period, just a name that one of her aspects took in time gone by. [21:37] <Andrea> Aphordite -- born from the ocean waves, which are often symbols of the primal chaos. [21:38] <Andrea> Also depicted as child of Eros who was shaper of the primal chaos. [21:38] <Andrea> Based on my hazy recollection of Greek myth. [21:39] <PowerofTropes> Heh [21:39] <Andrea> And I hope the connection to Tropes is self- evident. [21:39] <PowerofTropes> (I'm not sure how tropes relate to acient Greeks, no.) [21:39] <Andrea> Or, wait, it was Uranus that was Aphrodite's father, not Eros. I need to work on my memory. :-/ [21:39] <PowerofTropes> *ancient [21:40] <Revenant> Wild Lord as a greek god would fit really well [21:40] <Liang_Yi> I ca go with that. Considering how, pardon the pun, mercurial, all our Estates are. [21:40] <Andrea> Okay... Wildlord? Everyone good with that? [21:41] <Andrea> Is the name going to be Aster or is that just the name of the Chancel? [21:41] <PowerofTropes> Sure. [21:42] [Michael-HG] Thats the name of the Campaign. The flower Aster, representing Variety. If you you wish to keep it as the name of the chancel or the imperator thats fine. If not, that is also fine. [21:42] <Andrea> Ah, okay. Makes sense, thanks. [21:42] <Liang_Yi> Aphrodite was embodied in the brightest star in heaven, the morning and evening star we call by her Roman name of Venus [21:43] <PowerofTropes> As the one with Realm 5, I unofficially rename the Chancel to Mission Control. ;) [21:43] <Liang_Yi> ASter is greek from Astron, meaning Star [21:43] <Revenant> *lighst Tropes on fire* [21:44] [Michael-HG] Dont set him on fire, please. He'll summon a whole bunch of guys with guns... [21:44] <PowerofTropes> Guns. Lots of guns. [21:44] [Michael-HG] Can anyone think of a good name for the Imperator before he absorbed the new estates? [21:44] <Liang_Yi> Ooh, men with big phallic symbols in their hands.. you don't want to know what I can do with armies. [21:44] <PowerofTropes> I can't even think of a name for my own character. [21:44] [Michael-HG] haha [21:45] <Andrea> At that time the Imperator was just Vanity, Gender, Metamorphosis, correct? [21:45] [Michael-HG] Yes. [21:45] <PowerofTropes> Hermaphrodite? :P [21:46] <Andrea> I was actually thinking the same thing... Or, at least, Hermes-Aphrodite. <.< [21:46] [Michael-HG] If Vanitys player remains out of contact then something happened during the absorbsion and somene else got Vanity. [21:46] <Andrea> Ah, that works. [21:46] [Michael-HG] Maybe the imperator of beauty took the oppertunity to steal it. [21:48] <Andrea> I guess Imperators can have their Estates stolen during a Rescue, then? [21:48] [Michael-HG] Yeah sure. Why not. [21:48] <Andrea> Neat idea. [21:49] [Michael-HG] She just ate Vanity or something. [21:49] [Michael-HG] Mmm, tasty... [21:49] <PowerofTropes> Mmm, Estates. Tasty... [21:49] [Michael-HG] I'll take my Estate extra crispy please. [21:50] <PowerofTropes> Estates. They're everywhere. Can't stand 'em. [21:50] <Andrea> So, hmm. One way to flesh out our Imperator would be to look at the Imperator Properties, pick which ones we want, and build a personality and mythos around that... [21:52] <PowerofTropes> What page are they on? [21:52] <Andrea> 144 [21:55] <Liang_Yi> Yum, vanity. [21:59] <PowerofTropes> Nothing's really leaping out at me, yet. [21:59] <Andrea> Anything leap out at anyone? If not, we can continue discussing general Imperial concept. [22:00] <PowerofTropes> Here, Passionate leaps out at me. [22:00] <PowerofTropes> Now allow me to read what that means, heh [22:00] [Michael-HG] Careful. It might bite. [22:00] [Michael-HG] Those leaping things... [22:00] <Andrea> It means that the Imperator allows us to get MPs from his/her own Code in addition to our own. [22:01] [Michael-HG] Does anyone know a word for the defintion of 'one thing leading to another'? [22:01] <Andrea> Cause? [22:02] <Andrea> Progression? [22:02] <Revenant> causality [22:02] <PowerofTropes> Causality, yeah [22:02] <Andrea> Yes, that works better. [22:02] [Michael-HG] Those are good, thanks. [22:03] <PowerofTropes> See: theTheory of Narrative Causality [22:03] <PowerofTropes> "Things happen because the plot says they should" [22:04] <Andrea> Okay, so do people like Passionate for our Imperator? [22:05] <Andrea> We'd get MPs for exemplary service to the Wild, though we wouldn't lose MPs for violating it. [22:05] <Andrea> Except me, I just gain additional MPs for serving it, and I still lsoe MPs for violating it. [22:06] <Andrea> Personally, I liked the positive Mystery Cult ones. [22:07] <Andrea> Harvest is also nice to have as it means you can bring in MPs without Nettling. I didn't see our current concept as particularly Harvest-y, though. [22:08] <Revenant> *nods* [22:08] <Andrea> The ones mentioned so far are all positive traits... We might want to start thinking of negative traits we could tolerate to pay for those. [22:08] <Liang_Yi> Some I'm looking at are Harvest, Demanding (Greek Gods were petualant creatures), Granted Gift, Corrupted Mystery Cult (Haimos Aphrodite Katakrino- The Condemned Blood of Aphrodite) [22:08] <Andrea> Any specific Granted Gift in mind? [22:08] <Liang_Yi> Nah, I just always look at it. [22:09] <Andrea> Mm. What about a Granted Handicap? That would help in the paying-for-stuff department. [22:10] <Liang_Yi> But what would it be? [22:11] * Andrea thinks. [22:11] <PowerofTropes> What would the gift be? [22:12] <PowerofTropes> I would gladly drop Harvest and Corrupted Mystery Cult. The latter seems really annoying. [22:13] <Liang_Yi> Regardless of our choices, Imperators are going to be very annoying [22:14] <Revenant> yes, unless it's bland and unassuming [22:14] <Liang_Yi> Which is annoying in a whole new category, and the purpose of Harvest is to be able to reap DMP [22:14] <Liang_Yi> 's faster to buy off those annoying traits [22:15] <Andrea> We're probably dealing with the incarnation of Vanity (among other things) here. It's not going to be bland. [22:16] <Liang_Yi> DP's I mean [22:16] <Andrea> Maybe Passionate, Harvest, Demanding, Granted Handicap? I'm somewhat uncertain what the Handicap should be, but even a Granted Gift comes with a Handicap, and it gives us MP, so it seems like a less onerous negative one to take. [22:17] <Andrea> As for the specific Handicap, when we design the Chancel that might suggest something. [22:17] <Andrea> Ditto for a Granted Gift. [22:17] <Liang_Yi> It's Aphrodite, we might have "Respectful: Unable to interfere with True Love' or something. [22:18] <Revenant> sounds good [22:18] <Andrea> There's a thought. Although Respectul is an Imperator Property, probably best to name it something else. [22:18] <Liang_Yi> The Windflower Law suffers where we walk.. and I've already been on trial once. *sigh* [22:19] <Andrea> So how will this work? We're unable to knowingly interfere? Or our actions have no affect against true love? [22:19] <PowerofTropes> The former, I think. [22:20] <Andrea> The problem with that is 1) Wildlord, not likely to restrict choices, and 2) We can still interfere without meaning to. [22:20] <Andrea> There are problems withthe latter, too, but hmm. [22:21] <Liang_Yi> If we interefere without meaning to, we're going to lose something. And they might not consciously limit it. It might be a part of her being. [22:21] <PowerofTropes> Either one raises the question of whether Excrucian seduction is true love. [22:21] <Andrea> Lose something? Give me an idea of what you mean by that. [22:23] <Liang_Yi> This one has answers, but they are getting to complex for 'True Love' [22:24] <Andrea> I guess it's just tough for me to see how this Handicap is going to give us any MPs. [22:24] <Liang_Yi> It shouldn't [22:24] <Andrea> Then what's the point? [22:24] <Liang_Yi> It lets you buy a bigger Imperator power? [22:24] <Andrea> A Handicap's a tool, the whole point is to give MPs. [22:25] <Andrea> We could make a useless one to get the points, but why bother? [22:25] *** CirclMastr has joined #Locus-Aster [22:25] <CirclMastr> Damn connection crapped out. [22:26] <Liang_Yi> LIke I said, there are answers, but they are getting to complex for such a narrow topic. [22:26] [Michael-HG] WB [22:26] <Andrea> Hm, HG, would Distrusted by Entropy work as a Handicap? Maybe the association with Love makes his servants extremely suspicious and watchful of us. [22:26] <Andrea> Or, alternately... Aura of Romance: Crushes, affection, and even True Love randomly sprout up in our vicinity, and the vicinity of our Anchors. [22:27] <Liang_Yi> That's a gift [22:27] <Andrea> That should cause enough problems for us to get a good number of MPs out of it. [22:27] <Andrea> It's not a Gift if you can't control it. [22:27] <Andrea> There's an exemple in the book, hang on. [22:28] <Revenant> Yeah that's /bad/ especially with the laws [22:28] *** PowerofTropes has quit IRC [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] [22:28] <Liang_Yi> Not really, the Laws are that _we_ can't fall in Love. We are immune to powers, as are all Nobles. [22:28] [Michael-HG] Something dealing with love would be Appropriate as a handycap. Perhaps the imperators act to try to save those estates he could sealed a sort love streak in him or something. [22:29] [Michael-HG] Liang is right though. Spreading love is okay. [22:29] [Michael-HG] Falling in love is not. [22:29] <Liang_Yi> Unless you want to stick penetration on it, and then we might as well start writing up new characters :) [22:29] <CirclMastr> Okay, I'm confused. [22:29] [Michael-HG] About? [22:30] <CirclMastr> I clearly missed something important, heh. What's our Granted Gift and Handicap? [22:30] <Andrea> We are trying to decide. [22:30] <Liang_Yi> None yet, it was just a discussion. [22:31] <Liang_Yi> And honestly Love might not be our best source, since unless our Imperator still embodies that and not some other power, there's no reason we would manifest it. [22:31] <Andrea> I guess I was thinking of Visible, on page 132, for an example of how supernatural effects can happen without a Gift... But you're right, that's rather less blatant. [22:31] <Andrea> I've seen it in games via a Restriction, but I guess it's not covered in the book one way or another. [22:31] [Michael-HG] http://wiki.rpg.net/index.php/Locus_Aster if anyone wants a look. [22:32] [Michael-HG] Nothing major, but it's at least proff that I do stuff with it :P [22:32] <Andrea> Oh! Here! Page 251. [22:32] <Andrea> Loosely Anchored in Time is an example of a Granted Handicap. [22:33] <Liang_Yi> Right, which is self affecting. Much different from spreading flowers where we walk [22:33] <Liang_Yi> Oh course spreading flowers would be a revaltory trait [22:34] [Michael-HG] And I will edit the typos in time. [22:37] <Andrea> Okay, well, if people have problems with the Aura of Romance idea it's not needed, I just thought it was a neat idea. [22:38] <Andrea> Any other thoughts for Handicaps? [22:38] <Andrea> We want one we can all agree on. [22:38] <Liang_Yi> I'm just not sure it would be more than a special effect, not really a gift nor a a handicap. [22:38] <CirclMastr> Shouldn't the Handicap be something related to the Gift we get? [22:38] <Liang_Yi> Not necessarily [22:38] <Andrea> We don't need to get a Grante dGift along with a Handicap. [22:39] <Andrea> If we do, it should be related in some way, true, but rationalizing can go a long way. :) [22:39] <Andrea> If we get a Gift + Handicap, it costs 1 point. [22:39] <Andrea> If we get just a Handicap, we have one more point to play around with. [22:40] <Liang_Yi> Summonable is always a good granted handicap [22:40] <Liang_Yi> A few ancient greek scrolls here, and poof. [22:40] <Andrea> Possible. Summonable together with Corrupted Cult is asking fro trouble, though. [22:40] <Liang_Yi> I thought cult was voted out [22:40] <CirclMastr> I'm opposed to Cult [22:41] <Andrea> I'm not clear on whether we've voted out anything yet. People have suggested things, but nothing's finaized as far as I know. [22:41] [Michael-HG] I'm opposed to opposition. [22:41] <Liang_Yi> Harvest, Passionate, Demanding, Summonable [22:41] [Michael-HG] ;) [22:41] <Liang_Yi> Sounds pretty fickle to me [22:42] <Revenant> we're all summonable? [22:42] <CirclMastr> I've got a big picture of Hollywood writers summoning Tropes for script ideas, heh. [22:42] <Liang_Yi> We would be yes. [22:42] <Revenant> I'd end up killing whoever summond me. [22:42] <Revenant> ^.^ [22:42] <Revenant> I'm the genie of the dark! [22:42] <Andrea> If we really can't think of anything better than Summonable, and if everyone else is okay with it, I could go along with that. But I was hoping for something a bit more creative. [22:43] [Michael-HG] Summonable sounds so fun. [22:43] [Michael-HG] "Nono! We just rolled the dice I swear!" [22:43] <CirclMastr> "Oh powerful spirit of Tropes, please send guidance to your loyal servant and his Spider-Man 4 script!" [22:43] <Liang_Yi> Nothing stops us from killing them, I mean, we aren't taking trapped in a damn circle. [22:44] <Andrea> Course not. It's just inconvenient to be whisked elsewhere all the time. [22:44] <Liang_Yi> I'd said it would take a reading from some greek play dealing with our estate with the intent to summon [22:44] <Revenant> Awesome! Deathklok CD! [22:44] <CirclMastr> All greek plays have tropes in them, though. [22:45] <CirclMastr> I'd be summoned all the damn time, heh. [22:45] <Liang_Yi> Only if they meant to summon you and not one of us. [22:45] [Michael-HG] "Incomprehensibility is interesting. [22:45] <Revenant> I don't mind sumonable. [22:45] <Liang_Yi> I think Metamorphosis and Chaos will have it the worst. 'read read read.. wow I wish that would happen to me' [22:46] <Liang_Yi> And poof it does... be careful what you wish for [22:48] * Liang_Yi edits her character sheet with her new disad. [22:49] <Andrea> So everyone's good with Summonable as our Granted Handicap? That's fine I suppose. [22:50] <CirclMastr> I'm fine with it. [22:51] <CirclMastr> How many Realm points have we got, all told? [22:51] <Andrea> Okay then. Are we decided on the four properties Liang listed? Harvest, Passionate, Demanding, Granted Handicap (Summonable)? [22:51] <CirclMastr> Let me double check them so I know what they are, heh [22:52] <Andrea> I have two Realm points to put into the pot. Tropes had five I think. How many did Chaos have? [22:52] <Liang_Yi> I have 1 [22:53] <Revenant> What's granted Handicap do? [22:53] <CirclMastr> We're all Summonable [22:53] <Revenant> oh okay [22:54] <CirclMastr> Demanding is going to be annoying, heh. [22:54] <Liang_Yi> Might not want to advertise that, unless you are ready to leave a bloody trail of annoying mortals [22:54] <Andrea> Very true. Chestfut Law can get annoying too. [22:54] <Liang_Yi> All the Imperator Disads are annoying :) [22:55] <CirclMastr> Which is the Chestnut Law? [22:55] <Andrea> After all, maiming someone isn't precisely eight times as bad as interrputing your shower. Now, if you can trick them into disrespecting you... [22:55] <Andrea> Chestnut is "You shall not harm those who have done no harm." [22:56] <Andrea> If someone does harm, you're allowed to visit precisely eight times as much harm on them. [22:56] <Liang_Yi> No, but trapping them without a shower for 8 days is perfectly reasonable [22:56] <Andrea> Ah, true! [22:57] <Andrea> So hmm. How many points of Realm does Revenant have? [22:57] <Andrea> We have eight Chancel points so far, plus Chaos's and maybe Vanity's. [22:58] <Liang_Yi> Let's see, water is a female force. I introduce sever gynophobia into them centered on the gender of water. I give it a expiration. I'm sure they will still eventually drink, I mean.. that's pure survival instinct. [22:58] [Michael-HG] Chaos has 0 [22:58] <Andrea> Okay. Eight points then, I guess. [22:59] <Liang_Yi> lesser creation of Gender, time to catch a bus home. [22:59] <Andrea> You just spent the MP you got from the summon, though. [22:59] <Liang_Yi> So? It was worth it [22:59] <Andrea> Fair enough. :) [23:01] <Andrea> So now the Chancel... Do people have suggestions for that? I'd say our Tempest has final say, before the HG. [23:01] <Liang_Yi> Then I have Billy stalk them until they crack. [23:01] <Revenant> Personally, I'd just create chaos and go "No idea if it was a boon or not, his own fault, I warned him" [23:01] <CirclMastr> Being inexperienced, I'm hoping to hear good advice. [23:02] [Michael-HG] Dont stick your finger in the light socket. [23:02] [Michael-HG] Unless you like that sort of thing. Then, by all means, please do. [23:02] <CirclMastr> I was thinking more along the lines of "What sort of Resources are most beneficial?" [23:02] [Michael-HG] MP's are benificial. [23:03] [Michael-HG] You might not need to worry about defence much since you have a tempest. [23:03] <CirclMastr> Mana Mine? [23:03] <CirclMastr> Defender's Blessing would be nice, given that we generally have low Spirit. [23:04] [Michael-HG] Though Void, who killed the imperator of Tropes and Chaos before their absorbtion might at some point make a move. [23:04] [Michael-HG] You all might also consider some easy entrances to your chancel since no one is a gate maker. [23:04] [Michael-HG] <since> [23:04] [Michael-HG] Inless you really like rideing Greyhound... [23:05] <CirclMastr> Yeah, I can see us wanting Convenient for all the times we're summoned... [23:05] <Andrea> Okay, Conveninet is 2 points... Defender's Blesing is 2 per level. [23:05] [Michael-HG] Whos the tempest? [23:05] <Liang_Yi> Convenient, Defender's Blessing, Mana Mine, Faery Magic+Alchemy all good for a greek chancel built on change [23:05] <CirclMastr> Me. [23:06] [Michael-HG] Kay. [23:08] <CirclMastr> I'm disinclined toward Faery Magic given that I can do Lesser Creations at will, practically. [23:08] <Liang_Yi> Technological rarity might give us some points, since none of us are particularly based on any kind of modern tech we'd need in a Chancel [23:08] <Andrea> Maybe High Summonings, rather than Alchemy? After all, our Imperator made us summonable... Maybe she did that so that, in symmetry, her own summonings would be more powerful. [23:09] <Liang_Yi> Alchemy, which is a powerful 'real' magic, requires a base magic for it to attack to [23:09] <CirclMastr> Same for High Summonings [23:09] <CirclMastr> It's cost-prohibitive, in my mind. [23:09] <Andrea> Technological Rarity applies to magic too, just pointing out... But we could still know magic, others wouldn't. [23:09] <Liang_Yi> Gender, Metamorphosis and Chaos are all aspects of Alchemy [23:09] <Liang_Yi> Tech rarity keeps things from coming in, not going out. [23:10] <Andrea> I'm not following. Are you thinking of a Technology Barrier? [23:10] <Andrea> Tech rarity is described as "Magic and modern technology are nearly unknown in Chancel." [23:10] <Andrea> PAge 142 [23:11] <Liang_Yi> Sorry, tech barriar [23:12] <Andrea> Anyway, CirclMastr, what's wrong with High Summonings? It's not like any Noble miracle can duplicate the powers of things summoned from the Lands Beyond. [23:12] <Andrea> If you don't like it, that's fine, just curious. [23:12] <Liang_Yi> Which I was reading wrong, so ignore it, it's nota negative. :) [23:13] <CirclMastr> Like I said, it just seems too cost- prohibitive to me. Especially given that High Summoning is described as "generally unwise" and we already have a Demanding imperator. [23:13] <Andrea> Fair enough. [23:13] <CirclMastr> I've got big pictures of summoning nameless horrors and the Imperator jumping in with "Let's keep it!" [23:13] <Andrea> What about Alchemy? Maybe we could take it with Normal Magic? [23:13] <Liang_Yi> Normal magic is 3, fairy magic is 2... jsut being thrifty [23:13] <CirclMastr> That's even more expensive, and requires us to devote MPs to it. [23:14] <CirclMastr> I guess I'm still stuck on a more basic question of "Why are we wanting magic again?" [23:14] <Revenant> because magic allows us to do things without expending MP's [23:15] <Revenant> and lets our chancel people do it too [23:15] <Liang_Yi> I'm just throwing ideas. [23:15] <Andrea> Fair enough. They're your Realm points. [23:15] <CirclMastr> You're still expending MPs though. [23:15] <CirclMastr> Just from a different attribute. [23:15] <Andrea> You don't need to until you use quite a few spells and then one will fully refresh you. [23:16] <Andrea> But in any case, it was just an idea. So hmm. Mana mine -- everyone good with that? How many levels do we want? [23:17] [Michael-HG] Who has some examples of Normal Magic in action? I dont see any good ones in the book that show how effective that magic can be and what it's limit is. [23:18] <Andrea> I'm afraid I'm not sure exactly. It hasn't come up yet in a game I've played in. [23:18] <Revenant> no you don't spend MP's using magic. [23:18] <CirclMastr> What sort of MPs does Mana Mine generate? Realm, or any sort? [23:18] [Michael-HG] It sounds like it's basically low level miricles. [23:18] <Revenant> and magic is up to the HG [23:19] <Andrea> I believe that Mana Mine can give any sort of Miracle Point. [23:19] <Liang_Yi> Any kind you want to harvest it for, cost is one point per MP per session [23:19] <Liang_Yi> up to 5 [23:20] <CirclMastr> At this point I'm leaning toward 2 for that, 2 for Convenient entrances, and the rest for Defender's Blessing. [23:21] <Andrea> I could go with that. Do we want a Technology Barrier, though? [23:21] <Andrea> That would be an additional point. We might be able to pay for it with Technological Rarity. [23:22] <CirclMastr> We don't need to worry about having tech toys of our own? (Like, say, vehicles to pick us up when we're summoned instead of the Greyhound? heh) [23:22] <Andrea> An hm. We still need to decide on the appearance of the Chancel. Aster implies it's fairly diverse -- maybe each of us designs a part of it? [23:23] <Andrea> Well, that's a thought. No Tech Barrier it is, then. [23:24] <CirclMastr> Heh, I just had a thought. [23:24] <Andrea> Oh? [23:24] [Michael-HG] Thoughts are good for the brain. [23:24] <CirclMastr> Chancel designed in such a way as to resemble a theme park. But instead of Tomorrowland and Fantasyland and all, there's Chaosland, Tropesland, Metamorphosisland, etc, of each of our owns' design. [23:25] <CirclMastr> Each branching off the from the 'Main Street' hub. [23:25] [Michael-HG] At least untill Chaos does some major remodling when everyone is out ;) [23:25] <Liang_Yi> You'll adore Genderland, I wouldn't recommend visiting without calling first. [23:26] <CirclMastr> Hey, I'm a Tempest, I can fix or stop whatever leaking might occur. ;) [23:26] <Liang_Yi> Anyone want to set up a chancelfolk trade program? Mine get tired so quickly. [23:27] <CirclMastr> Sorry, my chancelfolk are specifically designed characters in specifically designed roles. But you can borrow The Wesley when he gets annoying. [23:27] [Michael-HG] Perhaps not a theme park. Maybe city districts. [23:27] <Andrea> Okay, sorry to do9 this, but if there's a Metamorphosisland we just have to take Magical Inhabitants. [23:28] <Andrea> I don't want to be limited to the typical human form. ;) [23:28] <CirclMastr> Why? They just live there, nobody said they had control over it. You can have fun with them yourself, heh. [23:28] <Andrea> Magical Inhabitants is required for Chancelfo0lk who aren't human. [23:29] <Andrea> For example, the plantfolk in the Treachery campaign wer ebought that way. [23:29] <CirclMastr> I'm not sure that "humans who got changed into something else by a Power" count as nonhuman in that sense. [23:29] [Michael-HG] Not quite. You can make chancel folk look how you want. [23:29] [Michael-HG] Magical inhabitants give them powers. [23:30] <CirclMastr> "Butterfly-Human hybrids live in my chancel" is not the same as "I gave my chancelfolk butterfly wings" [23:30] <Liang_Yi> Mine generally look miserable, so I have them wear these little helmets that make them smile. [23:30] <Liang_Yi> A little hook in the right cheek, a little hook in the left cheek. HAPPY! [23:32] <Andrea> You make decent points, but I'd really prefer for some of them to have some magic going beyond the norm. We don't need the higher levels of it or anything. [23:32] <Andrea> Is it really excessive for me to provide 2 Chancel Points and want to spend one according to how I want? [23:33] <CirclMastr> Eh, fine, let's drop Mana Mine to 1 then. [23:33] <Andrea> We can always pay for MAna Mine 2 with a disadvantage. [23:34] <Andrea> Though... I don't really see much that fits that well, for disadvantages. [23:34] <Andrea> So, dropping Mana Mine to 1 is fine. [23:34] <Andrea> Unless someone has a different idea. [23:35] [Michael-HG] Banes are decent disadvantages. [23:35] <CirclMastr> I'll stick with dropping Mana Mine to 1. [23:36] <Andrea> So, everyone good with Mana Mine 1, Defender's Blessing 2, Convenient, Magical Inhabitants 1? [23:36] <Liang_Yi> Or grab a Radiant or Realm's Heart as a back up Landlord for when we're on the away missions, getting red shirts killed [23:36] <Revenant> kk.. [23:37] <Andrea> I wouldn't mind a one-point Erus, but not sure if there's a clear role for him or her, given that the place is so diverse. [23:39] <Liang_Yi> To sit on the bridge and make sure the place doesn't self destruct when we aren't there to keep Chaos and Tropes from rewritting each other's borders randomly. [23:39] <CirclMastr> You say that like I'm a troublemaker. [23:39] <Andrea> So who's the Erus? Maybe a Priest or Priestess of Aphrodite? [23:39] <Andrea> Or, what name did we settle on? Aster? [23:40] <Liang_Yi> They could be a remnant of the Other Chancel. [23:40] <Andrea> Hmm, someone who helped out at a crucial point during the Rescue, and was rewarded? [23:40] <Andrea> That what you're thinking? [23:40] <CirclMastr> Wait, why are we getting a disadvantage? [23:41] <Andrea> Well, we're throwig ideas around. [23:41] <Andrea> This way we wouldn't need to drop Mana Mine to 1. [23:41] <Andrea> It's your call, though. [23:41] <Revenant> I'd rather have Mana Mine higher [23:41] <Liang_Yi> It's kind of like building a character with no disadvantages. Possible, but ultimately boring. [23:42] <Andrea> True. [23:42] <CirclMastr> Could get two Banes and stick one in Metamorphosisland and one in Chaosland. ;) [23:43] <Liang_Yi> And we're talking an Erus here with no more power than me, he'd only have real power when the tempest was gone anyway. Of course you treat him bad and the excrucians would be all over his ass corrupting him. [23:44] <Liang_Yi> And here on the border of Chaos and Metamorphosis you will see the Scylla and Charibdes to your right. Please keep your hands and feet inside the vehical [23:47] <Andrea> Banes could work for me, if you prefer them. I'm not that fond of them, but they do make things somewhat interesting. [23:47] <CirclMastr> Hey, I'm fine taking no disadvantages. [23:48] <Andrea> What do people prefer? [23:48] <CirclMastr> I prefer what we've got now. [23:49] <Liang_Yi> Mana mine is okay, not terribly important to me, but I'd like to have at least one disadvantage just to make life interesting at home [23:49] <Andrea> Maybe we should pencil the no-disadvantage version in for now, and wait till we know who our fifth player is going to be for a final decision? [23:49] <Liang_Yi> But, and here's the deal, we can choose a way for the the HG to screw us in our Chancel and get a point or two from it, or not choose one, and get screw anyway. [23:50] <CirclMastr> We're already getting screwed with the Imperator, heh. [23:50] <Andrea> That's actually a very good point. [23:50] <Andrea> Whatever happens, there will be drama an problems. [23:51] <Liang_Yi> Home is going to be a source of conflict, it will either be conflict we expect, and can plan for, or conflict that bites out ass.. the conflict's not going away because we ignore it. [23:51] <Andrea> If we pick Banes or an Erus we at least have some direction over what those might be. [23:51] <Andrea> Oh, thought! [23:51] <CirclMastr> I doubt the HG will impose a cap on the number of problems we can have at once, and we somehow come out ahead if we create a problem ourselves. *** Closed channel log for #Locus-Aster at 8/19/2007 11:53:28 PM *** Opened channel log for #Locus-Aster at 8/19/2007 11:53:58 PM [23:53] *** Michael-HG has joined #Locus-Aster [23:54] <Andrea> (Thought reposted for HG) There is a focus with Realm in it, that the Imperator broke into five pieces. One piece is hidden in each of the five corners of the Chancel. When one person collects all five, they become the Erus, until the Imperator tires of them, shatters the focus, and leaves the former Erus whith the memory of power but no power remaining. [23:54] <CirclMastr> All I can think in reply is "Captain Planet" [23:54] <Andrea> In practice, this woul mean that the Erus could be bought off, then reinstituted when we needed to pay for something, then bought off again... [23:55] <Andrea> But it seems to fit with the theme of variety. [23:55] <Andrea> It might be too complex, let me know if that's the case. [23:55] [Michael-HG] The Erus would be a permanent fixture unless killed. [23:55] <Andrea> Wait, so we can't buy the Erus off with Chancel Points? [23:56] [Michael-HG] The idea behnad a land lord is that they become increasingly annoing as the game goes on, not less annoing. [23:57] <CirclMastr> All the more reason to not get one. [23:57] [Michael-HG] Not so. [23:57] <Andrea> Well, i you want to houserule that it's fine with me. Page 154 says you can, but it's your game. [23:57] <CirclMastr> I'm reasserting my desire to stick with the no-disabilities version, at least for now. [23:57] [Michael-HG] A mana mine becomes increasingly useful. [23:58] [Michael-HG] If you leave the points there for a good time you have a great [23:58] <Revenant> I really want what we've worked on, compaired to "no disabilities" [23:58] [Michael-HG] 'bank' for when shit hits the fan. [23:58] <Andrea> Well, we haven't actually picked a disability. Just discussed them. [23:59] <CirclMastr> We already have a mana mine, just a smaller one. [23:59] <CirclMastr> AND we have a Harvest Imperator. [23:59] <CirclMastr> We have no shortage of points to accumulate, here. [23:59] <Revenant> what about the 4 things we picked earlier? [00:00] <Andrea> This makes sense. If the HG isn't going to let us buy off disadvantages wityh experience, I have to say I'm against Eruses and/or Banes as well. [00:00] [Michael-HG] Banes, while annoing, are mostly story hooks. [00:00] <Revenant> Peeves from Harry Potter is a bane. [00:00] <Revenant> not bad, just annoying. [00:00] <Andrea> 4 things? You mean Convenient, Magical Inhabitants, Mana Mine, Defender's Blessing? [00:01] <Andrea> We're definitely getting those. We were discussing whether to add one or more disadvantages and get another point of mana mine. [00:01] <CirclMastr> At any rate, I have classes in the morning and must now to bed. Consider my vote a 'no' on any disability until we hear from Vanity or the like. [00:02] <Andrea> Have a good night. [00:02] <CirclMastr> Good night all. [00:02] *** CirclMastr has left #Locus-Aster The session became chat at this point.

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