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LOL -- your critique is a bit hypocritical actually. AD&D and almost every other successful RPG is all about killing racial minorities -- just not ones identified with real life minorities who can talk back and sue out of game. Although if I am not mistaken AD&D was sent letters by the NAACP threating to sue based on their perception than Drow represented the real life black minority. Of course nothing ever happened because in most campaigns the evidence was too ridiculous thin to take to court.

Bottom line? Successful RPGs use racial war with fake races because every games needs easily identified enemies. Uniforms are not very flexible and limit the game to idealistic Prussian War rules (no spies, no civilians, nobody out of uniform and limited variety of uniforms). Fake races keep the legal issues from cropping up too early.

--Just Noting Reality —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 07:01, 22 May 2009Please use four (4) tildes (~~~~) to date & sign your post in the future!

FATAL review[edit]

Has anybody else noticed that the link to the FATAL review is dead?

Rich —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 00:30, 26 May 2009Please use four (4) tildes (~~~~) to date & sign your post in the future!

Here's a link to a mirror -

Trent —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 20:43, 30 April 2010Please use four (4) tildes (~~~~) to date & sign your post in the future!


Question: How did deadEarth not even make the running? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 01:57, 6 August 2009Please use four (4) tildes (~~~~) to date & sign your post in the future!


1st FATAL[edit]

Is there any way to view the first pubilished edition of FATAL? Not the "From another time", the "Fantasy adventure" one. I want to see just how much they changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 05:09, 2 March 2011Please use four (4) tildes (~~~~) to date & sign your post in the future!

There is a list of books at not sure if they all got made. Ty (talk) 20:21, 4 April 2016 (PDT)



SenZar does not deserve to be on here. The game is mechanically solid, probably the best game in its style released prior to 3e D&D. It has cheese metal iconography, but that does not make it a bad RPG. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 04:06, 12 May 2012Please use four (4) tildes (~~~~) to date & sign your post in the future!


pointless quote[edit]

F.A.T.A.L., which has been called "the date rape RPG, without dating"

I realize this shows up (albeit as "without the dating") on 1d4 but it's a silly quote.

FATAL does have rules for dating, under "seduction", and they are far more thorough than the rules on rape. For something stereotyped with rape, the rules barely focus on it at all and they're incredibly silly (only males can rape, only females can be rape, a rapist must outweigh their victim, etc) Ty (talk) 20:21, 4 April 2016 (PDT)

The wayback archive for hybrid doesn't work. robots.txt error. 20:35, 6 August 2016 (PDT)



Might be an interesting addition to the list of worst RPGs. VTNL aka Via The New Legends is a russian cargo-cult tabletop RPG. The game was released in 2015 (or at least it was it's core component — rulebook) but still is far from overall completion — no magic rules etc. Author claims that he's been doing all the work for 15 (or maybe more) years. Rulebook is about 120 pages long which include setting description half page long, odious character creation rules, how to stash items in inventory (not the variety of equipment — just how to pack it), how to record campaign progress and infamous rules for actual throwing dice on a wooden "dicefield". Also VTNL is infamous for its gameplay gross facilitation: you require a calcualtor, "dicefield", desk bell, notepads, stickers and a computer for battles.

There is a decent review on 1d4chan that could tell more: Also one foreign review in Russian: [1] inspired by Darren MacLennan & Jason Sartin.