Editing Session 76.5

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Etheric: I should make a textfile for my character sheet now that the wiki is down.<br>
Etheric: I need to figure out how many character points I have left, though.  And I'm a bit uncertain what Gifts I ended up adding when I made Eve.  RN and I discussed a few possibilities.<br>
Random_Nerd: Yeah, and I don't believe you'd made up your mind when last we spoke on the matter.<br>
Knockwood: well, we're in chapter 9, so we each got 8 so far, minus any adds you've already done<br>
Etheric: Hmm, that many?<br>
Etheric: I think I have enough for Aspect 2 then, unless I forgot a Gift.<br>
Etheric: Er, Aspect 1.<br>
Knockwood: I've got 6 points I'm still debating what to do with<br>
Etheric: Momentarily forgot that my Aspect started at zero.<br>
Etheric: What I would do, Knock, is use 4 of those to raise each of your Domains by 1, then pick a nifty Gift or two.<br>
Random_Nerd: True, you seem to have issues with low Domain a fair amount.<br>
BethE: I know I bought the Noble Tracker gift.  And I was thinking of raising Spirit or Realm.<br>
Etheric: Either that, or buy your Realm up to 2 so you can hear the Realm's Heart.<br>
Knockwood: that and I use my secondary more than my primary<br>
Knockwood: though I was thinking of cranking my aspect and/or maybe getting straight up attack gifts<br>
Etheric: Oh, hmm.<br>
Etheric: RN, I didn't think of this.  Should I take Eve's differing take on Hope as a secondary domain?<br>
BethE: How much was your lightsaber going to be, or is that for later, Knock?<br>
Knockwood: haven't really hashed it out yet<br>
Random_Nerd: Hmm.  I don't really see them as being different enough to lead to different sorts of miracles being allowable.<br>
Random_Nerd: Do you disagree?<br>
Etheric: Not really, I ust wanted to check.<br>
Etheric: Well, they do allow slightly different kinds of miracles, but both are based on "hope."<br>
Random_Nerd: I don't see the degree of difference as being sufficiently great as to need mechanical representation.<br>
BethE: (Did those who are not RN or sharing his brain at the time hear about the differences between the two Hope-perspectives?)<br>
Etheric: I don't recall, honestly.<br>
Etheric: Want me to go over them?<br>
BethE: Yes, please. <br>
Etheric: Sorry.<br>
Etheric: Anyway, Eve's take on Hope is that a Hope is basically the purpose a thing is geared towards, either by design or by nature.<br>
Random_Nerd: Very Aristotelian.<br>
Etheric: Carrie's take on Hope is that a Hope is a transformative emotion that directs a person toward a certain aspect of their potential.<br>
Etheric: Basically clarifying that part of the potential.<br>
BethE: Interesting.  *thinks*<br>
Etheric: And making it easier to realize.<br>
BethE: So, either of them Diving the same person could get different answers?<br>
Etheric: Eve's outlook is based on Fate, Carrie's on Free Will.<br>
Etheric: Hmm.<br>
Knockwood: so, Eve could do a LC Hope and create a serial killer?<br>
Etheric: I'm not sure, Knock,  It depends on whether RN thinkks that's stretching the boundaries of Hope too much.<br>
Knockwood: actually, wait, so could Carrie...<br>
Etheric: Probably.<br>
Random_Nerd: Either could, really.<br>
Random_Nerd: They'd just do it differently.<br>
Etheric: Though, Carrie's Hope is transformative and uplifting, so it would be a different kind of serial killer than what Eve would make.<br>
Etheric: It's meant as the same Estate, just radically different takes on it.<br>
Etheric: Hmm.<br>
BethE: Carrie's could be a serial killer who believes that he/she is rescueing the victims from worse things or maybe one of those nurse-Angel of Deaths.<br>
Etheric: Do you guys want to know the Eve-origin reason or should I let it come out in play?<br>
Knockwood: ah, go ahead and tell us. :)<br>
BethE: *gets popcorn*<br>
BethE: I can have Theresa be clueless in character anyhow.  <g><br>
Etheric: After meditating on that vision of hers all night, Carrie asked Kudzu to help her undertand the Dark without losing who she was.<br>
Etheric: Kudzu obliged.<br>
Etheric: So you get, roughly, a second personality, complete with a second form.<br>
Etheric: Perfect Timing is going to ensure that no one is watching when they switch back and forth.<br>
Etheric: That's mainly because I haven't decided on a visual.<br>
BethE: Does one hear the other's thoughts/actions/etc?<br>
Etheric: They aren't really there when the other is active, but they can remember everything the other did, in a dreamlike way.<br>
Knockwood: so, is Carrie going to change her last name to Jekyll? :D<br>
Etheric: No.<br>
BethE: How'd Carrie's folks take it and does it interfer any with the Light Touch Hope has with them?<br>
Etheric: For now, Eve has Light Touch too.  And for that reason, she's been careful not to contact the Anchors while she's Eve.<br>
Etheric: Eventually I plan on working out a second set of Handicaps for Eve beyond the differing Affiliation, but that's not finalized yet.<br>
BethE: How much does Eve think Fate controls lives or events?<br>
Etheric: To Eve, fate is individual.  It is ones deeper nature manifesting itself.  Kudzu forbids the imprisonment of this deeper nature (Code of the Wild via Cold Imperator Property.)<br>
Etheric: However, humanity's deeper ature is destructive, witness wars, famine, genocide.<br>
Etheric: Therefore, the answer is to persuade humanity to destroy itself.<br>
Etheric: It's not an appealing logic but it is coherent.<br>
BethE: (RN - what was William<br>
Etheric: It also lacks Carrie's belief in unlimited potential.<br>
Random_Nerd: (Okay, now, looks pretty clear that we won't have Laz.  You guys prefer to start now, or cancel, or what?)<br>
BethE: 's response mentally to the dual-Hopes for the heraldry?)<br>
Random_Nerd: ("Huh.  That's a weird one.  Must ponder precedents.")<br>
Knockwood: what about Sara?<br>
BethE: Sara's still out trying to get work schedule and sleep aligned so that she's awake past 8:30pm.<br>
Etheric: Hate to say it, but maybe we should cancel tonight.<br>
Random_Nerd: She won't be here for at least a couple weeks, she's told me.<br>
BethE: I would accept a cancel but have a question for the group first.<br>
Random_Nerd: Yes?<br>
Knockwood: 42.<br>
BethE: What sort of things could we (as players or we as the royalRN, either way) do to help keep sessions/scenes moving? <br>
Random_Nerd: Come up with agendas and take steps to implement them.<br>
BethE: As I've noticed that I can have a tendency to bog down in the minor details.<br>
Knockwood: we all do.  Demonboxing.<br>
Random_Nerd: Yeah.  Part of that is that we don't seem to have a player/character of the more impulsive type here.<br>
Etheric: I think on top of that, we need the GMing to be a little more proactive.  If things are stuck, prod things along a bit.  We won't object.<br>
* Etheric blinks.<br>
Etheric: Dante isn't?<br>
Random_Nerd: Mmm?<br>
Random_Nerd: Not for these purposes.<br>
Etheric: Fair enough.<br>
Knockwood: there's also the problem in that we're not entirely sure what we can do<br>
Random_Nerd: He is in terms of big-picture planning, but less so for demonboxing.<br>
Random_Nerd: How so, Knock?<br>
BethE: Do we need Noble boot-camp?<br>
Random_Nerd: And what sort of thing would you suggest in terms of prodding, Etheric?<br>
Random_Nerd: Given that it's a tight balance between prodding and railroading, and the midpoint differs from group to group.<br>
Etheric: It's true that Carrie/Eve seems to be the one who forgets debating and actually does stuff.  And I generally only do that when I get impatient with something that's already stretched out too long.<br>
Knockwood: fr'ex: the big attack on the Ex last time.  We wasted a big chunk of the session firing off one attack<br>
Etheric: Well, if we're sdebating in circles, have something happen.<br>
Etheric: Doesn't matter what, as long as it changed the situation.<br>
Etheric: It's unrelastic to think that the owrld waits around while Nobles argue.  Even given the existence of Perfect Timing.<br>
Knockwood: careful, he could have two Excrucians burst through the door with abhorrent guns...<br>
Random_Nerd: Hmm.  What sort of thing would help with you knowing what you can do?<br>
Etheric: I trust RN to keep the challenges manageable.<br>
Knockwood: Why, just let us do anything! :D<br>
* Etheric now envisions the Power of Munchkins with Secondary Domain 5 in Everything But The Kitchen Sink.<br>
Knockwood: what's his Aspect, Avogadro's number? :)<br>
Random_Nerd: Graham's Number.<br>
BethE: What if we had a session that was everyone throwing ideas/situations at Player A and they have to survive/fix it with their character.  Then switch.<br>
Etheric: Aspect 2, Legendary.  But he has a focus that gives him Aspect 7.  And several backups if he loses that one.<br>
Etheric: Also, he has unlimited miracle points.<br>
Etheric: <.<<br>
Random_Nerd: Hmm.  When you talk about not knowing what you can do, is it a matter of how the rules work?  Or of picking an option from the many available ones?<br>
Random_Nerd: Or something else?<br>
BethE: I know one of my problems is that I don't think big/Noble enough.<br>
BethE: And I sometimes have trouble with Auctoritas.<br>
Knockwood: well, Theresa's is easy... it's tangible, therefore simple: LC=one plant or plant-derived thing<br>
Knockwood: mine, not so much.<br>
Etheric: I think if you're having trouble knowing what Courage can do, you should pin it down with RN.<br>
Etheric: I did that for Hope with Carrie and later with Eve, and it really helped.<br>
Knockwood: actually, that one was partially because we didn't know we could 'crank' a miracle and fire it off at a higher level<br>
BethE: What, in the 'helping each other' way?<br>
Knockwood: right<br>
Random_Nerd: Well, one thing that could help would be to read through the relevant chapters again, both the straight mechanical ones and the GM adjugating advice ones.<br>
Random_Nerd: I find that doing that every few months helps me.<br>
Knockwood: BTW, did you see my post in (Link: http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?t=339740)http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?t=339740 ?<br>
Random_Nerd: Ah, no, I'd not seen that.<br>
Random_Nerd: Saw the thread earlier, but not with that post in it.<br>
BethE: *reads, gets distracted by cutecatavatar, reads*<br>
Knockwood: you're actually the first one to comment on the kitty-punk...<br>
BethE: I am easily distracted by cute.  <G><br>
BethE: And very good post, Knock!  That's a really good job at decribing it.<br>
BethE: describing even<br>
Knockwood: well, I had a little help. :)<br>
BethE: Hmm...your post makes me wonder if I should be doing more with the Elemental part of Theresa.  I don't use it a whole lot.<br>
Random_Nerd: It's a handy Gift, especially if you have Durant to go with it, which you do.<br>
Etheric: If we're done with Beth's question, I'm gone for the night.  Thanks all.<br>
Knockwood: oyasumi-nasai<br>
BethE: Night, Etheric!  *HUG*<br>
Random_Nerd: Okay.  See you next week.<br>
*** Etheric has signed off IRC (Disintegrated: Destiny is choice.).<br>
BethE: I think about the only thing I've really done with the Elemental is vine arms and the dead stick arm after Monty.<br>
Random_Nerd: You have anything else, Knock?<br>
Knockwood: of course, I'm weird in that I'm not sure about what I write unless someone comments on it<br>
Knockwood: hey, I was trying to think up an attack gift...<br>
Knockwood: Create-Fire is blatantly obvious, though I was considering something more unique.<br>
Random_Nerd: So you decided you didn't want an aspect-based martial art?<br>
Knockwood: And I suspect a lightsaber would have a cost on par with Marsiglio's claw, which was expensive IIRC<br>
Knockwood: RN: how much of a problem would having to physically touch the bad guy be?<br>
Random_Nerd: Hmm.<br>
Random_Nerd: Depends on the situation, and how quickly they realize the limitation.<br>
Random_Nerd: It'd probably be most problematic when facing smart enemies with flexible combat options.<br>
Knockwood: just prepping for when you put us up against the Excrucian Power of Sludge. :)<br>
Random_Nerd: Which is to say, either Nobles, or Excrucians with funky gifts like WBH.<br>
BethE: How much of an unusual gift was that Winds gift the Ex had in Mexico?<br>
Random_Nerd: That was a pretty common Warmain Gift.<br>
Random_Nerd: Probably one of the top ten most common warmain tricks.<br>
Knockwood: Oh.. I was thinking of getting that Rune of Runaway as a set trick...<br>
Knockwood: basically, trace it in the air or the ground, and mortals go bye-bye<br>
Random_Nerd: Rune of Runaway?<br>
Knockwood: I had it in my Domain Miracles list<br>
BethE: (I dislike the Winds.  They hit _hard_.)<br>
Random_Nerd: Oh, let me see.<br>
Knockwood: Dest of Courage, effect is: guy runs away<br>
Random_Nerd: Ah, that would probably make a handy Gift.<br>
Knockwood: Beth: well, you saw the defense I thought up, right?<br>
Random_Nerd: Good for getting humans away, and subtle enough not to cause DA.<br>
Random_Nerd: Let's see.  Lesser Destruction, Simple Miracle, Local Things Only, One Trick, Uncommon?<br>
BethE: Knock - i don't think so?<br>
Knockwood: Well, it effects everyone in the area, selectively, but no Uncommon penalty since it's related to my Domain.<br>
Random_Nerd: Oh, true.<br>
Knockwood: can it have the special effect 'remains in effect for as long as the physical rune lasts'?<br>
Random_Nerd: Well, Local Things is as opposed to Almost Anywhere.<br>
Random_Nerd: Hmm.<br>
Random_Nerd: That'd take a Change.<br>
Random_Nerd: To make something with that kind of lasting effect.<br>
Knockwood: well, if it's written in, say, dirt...<br>
Random_Nerd: A miracle is an act.  If the act is scaring people, you can do it with a destruction.  But if it's making a rune that has certain effects, that'd be a Change, because such a rune can't mundanely exist.<br>
Knockwood: Beth: OK, let me explain the defense...<br>
Knockwood: it's kinda the reverse of Brian's movement trick.<br>
Knockwood: Basically, warp either numbers or space so that the distance between him and, say, us is a lot longer than it 'should' be.<br>
Random_Nerd: That could work well.<br>
BethE: SO that his Winds wouldn't reach?<br>
Random_Nerd: Sort of like the opposite of how a strategist would do it, really.<br>
Knockwood: Even thought of a cool name: Zeno's Shield<br>
Knockwood: Beth: yep<br>
Random_Nerd: Hmm.  Anything more to ask or tell me before I head out?<br>
Knockwood: know of any Gifts opf Spirit?<br>
Knockwood: and Tpyo's back...<br>
Random_Nerd: There are no miracles of spirit, so, there aren't gifts that are based on a miracle of spirit.<br>
Knockwood: thought of that as another possible defense: a Gift of Spirit specifically for defense<br>
Random_Nerd: There are what the book considers to be "Gifts of Spirit," but those are Gifts based on another miracle thematically attached to Spirit.<br>
Random_Nerd: Just like, for instance, many Gifts of Aspect are based on Domain miracles.<br>
Knockwood: was Laz interested in spending the points on a Zeno's Shield?  I might do it myself... maybe hook it to an aegis as a focus...<br>
Random_Nerd: Beats me.<br>
Knockwood: that's Beth's job.<br>
Knockwood: :D<br>
Knockwood: (SCNR)<br>
BethE: (Do I want to know what that means?  <g>)<br>
Knockwood: (Sorry, Could Not Resist (that goofy setup))
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