Dawn of the Third Age/OOC Logs/Session 04
Session Start (Anshu:#celestialdeliberativeOOC): Sun Sep 12 10:21:29 2010 -0600
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[10:21] * dakkareth waves
[10:21] <~Anshu> hmm
[10:21] <~Anshu> odd
[10:22] <dakkareth> what is?
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[10:22] <dakkareth> .die
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[10:22] <~Taurus_II> oh, nothing
[10:22] <dakkareth> .exf 22 24
[10:22] <~Taurus_II> just figuring out how to make the automatic op thing work
[10:22] <dakkareth> .ex 10
[10:22] <dakkareth> .load cmd_games
[10:22] <Pattern_Spider> Loading cmd_games successful
[10:23] <dakkareth> .exf 22 24
[10:23] <Pattern_Spider> dakkareth [13, 2, 17, 6, 2, 7, 10, 1, 8, 9, 1, 14, 13, 1, 11, 9, 1, 16, 11, 2, 12, 6, 1, 15, 8, 3, 16, 8, 2, 13, 11, 1, 12, 11, -1, 13, 12, 0, 9, 5, 0, 16, 10, 3, 14, 6, 2, 13, 11, 2, 16, 12, 0, 11, 11, 2, 10, 10, -1, 11, 10, -1, 9, 16, 1, 11] successes against TN
[10:23] <~Taurus_II> negative resuls?
[10:23] <~Taurus_II> results*
[10:23] <dakkareth> -1 is a botch
[10:23] <~Taurus_II> oh
[10:25] <dakkareth> no idea why it does so many rolls, though
[10:25] <dakkareth> .die
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[10:25] <dakkareth> .load cmd_games
[10:25] <Pattern_Spider> Loading cmd_games successful
[10:25] <dakkareth> still working on this function ...
[10:25] <~Taurus_II> *nod*
[10:25] <dakkareth> .exf 22 23 24
[10:25] <Pattern_Spider> dakkareth [7, 9, 2, 12, 11, 10, 10, 1, 13, 13, 11, 14, 1, 9, 10, 12, 7, 3, 9, 12, 8, 13, 2, 7, 12, 7, 12, 0, 15, 14, 11, 15, 0, 15, 14, 12, 17, 0, 11, 8, 13, 14, 0, 9, 11, 12, 10, 1, 12, 7, 11, 10, 0, 12, 7, 7, 13, 1, 9, 6, 13, 9, 4, 9, 15, 7, 15, 0, 14, 20, 11, 9, 1, 13, 11, 7, 11, 2, 15, 7, 9, 8, 1, 12, 9, 7, 13, 1, 14, 14, 13, 9, 1, 13, 16, 10, 11, 1, 15, 9, 15, 19, 1, 13, 10, 12, 13, 1,
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[10:27] * dakkareth waves
[10:27] *** Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby is now known as Myllinnia
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[10:27] <Myllinnia> hi hi ^^
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[10:27] <~Taurus_II> hi
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[10:29] <Myllinnia> hi hi Hattori ^^
[10:29] <Hattori> whatssup
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[10:31] <dakkareth> sorry for the bot coming and going, still working on this thing
[10:32] <Hattori> trying to get it to flurry?
[10:32] <Hattori> =P
[10:32] <dakkareth> yeah
[10:32] <dakkareth> .exf 24 23 22 21
[10:32] <Pattern_Spider> dakkareth [10, 12, 13, 11] successes against TN7
[10:33] <dakkareth> .exf 24 23 22 TN6
[10:33] <Pattern_Spider> invalid syntax - target number has to be an actual number
[10:33] <dakkareth> still some problems ;)
[10:33] <~Taurus_II> *smacks Pattern Spider*
[10:34] <Hattori> mmhm
[10:34] <Hattori> yeah
[10:34] <Hattori> that'll be an issue with the infernals
[10:34] <Hattori> and siddies
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[10:38] <Hattori> .ex 36 36 36 TN 6
[10:38] <Pattern_Spider> invalid syntax - target number has to be an actual number
[10:39] <Hattori> .ex 36 36 36 TN6
[10:39] <Pattern_Spider> invalid syntax - target number has to be an actual number
[10:39] <Hattori> .ex 36 36 36
[10:39] <Pattern_Spider> invalid syntax - target number has to be an actual number
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[10:39] <Hattori> .exf 36 36 36
[10:39] <Pattern_Spider> Hattori [19, 25, 14] successes against TN7
[10:39] <Hattori> .exf 36 36 36 TN6
[10:39] <Pattern_Spider> Hattori [18, 19, 18] successes against TN6
[10:39] <Hattori> yay
[10:39] <Hattori> ^_^
[10:40] <dakkareth> .exf 36 x8
[10:40] <Pattern_Spider> dakkareth [17, 12, 13, 17, 18, 18, 20, 21] successes against TN7
[10:41] <dakkareth> .exf 36 x8 TN 6
[10:41] <Pattern_Spider> invalid syntax - target number has to be an actual number
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[10:41] <dakkareth> .exf 36 x8 TN6
[10:41] <Pattern_Spider> dakkareth [24, 16, 23, 14, 19, 18, 23, 25] successes against TN6
[10:42] <dakkareth> .exf 5 x10
[10:42] <Pattern_Spider> dakkareth [3, 3, 1, 3, 3, 4, 3, 3, 2, 6] successes against TN7
[10:42] <dakkareth> .exf 3 x10
[10:42] <Pattern_Spider> dakkareth [0, 2, 2, 2, 0, 2, 5, 1, 1, 2] successes against TN7
[10:42] <dakkareth> seems to work :)
[10:44] <dakkareth> New command: ".exf <number>
[<number> <number> ...]
[x<number of repetitions>]
[TN<target number]"
[10:44] <~Taurus_II> excellent
[10:44] <dakkareth> note that doing x2 for example will do the whole flurry two times
[10:44] <dakkareth> .exf 19 18 17 x2
[10:44] <Pattern_Spider> dakkareth [8, 12, 9, 5, 7, 8] successes against TN7
[10:45] <dakkareth> note the six results
[10:45] <Myllinnia> mmm nice
[10:47] <~Taurus_II> *pokes Myll to the IC channel*
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[10:50] <Brazen_Sand> hello
[10:50] <~Taurus_II> hey
[10:50] * dakkareth waves
[10:51] <~Taurus_II> we have a flurry command
[10:51] <Brazen_Sand> oh?
[10:51] <Hattori> .exf 41 TN6
[10:51] <Pattern_Spider> Hattori [15] successes against TN6
[10:51] <Hattori> .exf 41 x8 TN6
[10:51] <Pattern_Spider> Hattori [24, 36, 26, 24, 32, 26, 23, 28] successes against TN6
[10:51] <Brazen_Sand> Wow!
[10:51] <Hattori> it's pretty cool
[10:52] <Hattori> holy shit, one of those was 36 sux on 41 dice
[10:52] <Hattori> wish I'd saved that...=P
[10:52] <Brazen_Sand> btw, Rand, no sudden attacks this time, please
[10:52] <dakkareth> ?
[10:53] <Brazen_Sand> Last session? When we were talking to the monks and he was like "Okay I attack them!"
[10:53] <Brazen_Sand> And everyone else was all "O_O"
[10:53] <Hattori> I think if it's terrestrials this time
[10:53] * dakkareth shrugs
[10:53] <Hattori> we should just handwave it
[10:53] <Hattori> and say we win
[10:53] <Hattori> >_>
[10:53] <Myllinnia> lol
[10:53] <dakkareth> I think attacks like that are fine.
[10:53] <Brazen_Sand> But it's fun fighting mooks
[10:54] <Brazen_Sand> It's not against the rules or anything. It was just...well, sudden and disorienting
[10:54] <Myllinnia> Was it for you? -Turn into monster. Roar... maybe get an attack in there. Battle done. XD-
[10:54] <dakkareth> Any problems with proceding like that should be discussed IC if at all.
[10:54] <Hattori> It feels kind of mean
[10:54] <Hattori> just slaughtering hapless DBs
[10:54] <Hattori> =(
[10:54] <Brazen_Sand> Yeah, it was totally fun, Myll!
[10:55] <Brazen_Sand> : P
[10:55] <Myllinnia> hmmm. :p
[10:55] <Brazen_Sand> Mmmm
[10:55] <Brazen_Sand> So where do we want to interrogate these guys?
[10:55] <Brazen_Sand> I would suggest somewhere far away from others
[10:57] <Hattori> we're only missing...Raksi?
[10:57] <~Taurus_II> correct
[10:57] <Myllinnia> I think so
[10:57] <RandBrittain> What did happen, anyway? I assume I won.
[10:57] <~Taurus_II> yes, we won
[10:57] <Myllinnia> Oh ya they were beat to hell and gone
[10:57] <Brazen_Sand> yeah, it was a curb-stomp
[10:58] <RandBrittain> Well, then we have no problem~
[10:58] <Brazen_Sand> Then we loaded them up on Launjilla and now we're taking them somewhere to interrogate them
[10:58] <RandBrittain> You're a terrible Slayer, what with all your "no, Inkwell, don't kill people."
[10:58] *** RandBrittain is now known as Inkwell
[10:58] <Hattori> It took like 9 hours to resolve though
[10:58] <Hattori> >_>
[10:58] <Myllinnia> The Fire one tried to bolt and run, but well some of us managed to slow her down and take her out. ^^
[10:59] <Hattori> I seem to recall someone brutally cutting her off from stealth. >_>
[10:59] <Brazen_Sand> I'm not terrible ;_;
[10:59] <dakkareth> though Brazen took out half the tea house in the process and showed himself to everyone who might be in the area ...
[10:59] <Brazen_Sand> Man, I can't win. If I kill people I'm bad
[10:59] <Myllinnia> Psh. There was no brutallity in that attack XD
[10:59] <Brazen_Sand> If I don't kill people, I'm bad
[11:00] <Hattori> well, maybe you should get enfranchised
[11:00] * Inkwell knows the pain of being considered evil in spite of your obvious virtue.
[11:01] <Brazen_Sand> enfranchised?
[11:02] <Hattori> you're not part of the Deliberative, right?
[11:02] <Hattori> you can't vote?
[11:02] <Brazen_Sand> Ah
[11:03] <Inkwell> I'm stil not clear whether I have a vote or not. I assumed when the game started that I did.
[11:03] <Inkwell> Although possibly my motion to be classified as a distinct Exalt type and receive 300 votes was denied.
[11:03] <Hattori> yeah, that was denied.
[11:04] <dakkareth> Inkwell doesn't have a vote. That was clarified by Taurus the last time the subject came up.
[11:04] <Inkwell> So unfair. I show up for more committee meetings than everybody else except Nomoe combined!
[11:05] <Brazen_Sand> Does that mean that Nomoe shows up for more meetings then everyone else combined?
[11:05] <Brazen_Sand> That must mean that Nomoe ocassionally shows up by himself : <
[11:05] <Myllinnia> hehe
[11:05] * dakkareth does not comment
[11:06] <Brazen_Sand> Just mathematically
[11:08] <Inkwell> I was thinking "everyone present," not the whole Deliberative.
[11:08] <Brazen_Sand> ahhh
[11:10] *** Myllinnia is now known as Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby
[11:10] <Hattori> nah, I like the imagery of Nomoe showing up in an empty room and wondering where everyone is. =D
[11:10] <Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby> lol, so mean XD
[11:11] <Hattori> mmhm
[11:11] <Hattori> so, these dragonblooded
[11:12] *** Hattori is now known as Noldarr
[11:12] <Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby> I'll get the guys in black from Estasia to come and take them away for questioing. Though they might not return. XD
[11:12] <Noldarr> Hopefully that will not be necessary
[11:12] <Noldarr> I think last session we had a dungeon or something?
[11:12] <Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby> I... I don't recall. >>
[11:13] <~Taurus_II> there is a dungeon available if you guys want to use it
[11:13] <Brazen_Sand> I think so
[11:13] <Brazen_Sand> Yeah
[11:14] <Noldarr> To the dungeon, then!
[11:15] *** dakkareth is now known as Nomoe_Hideaki
[11:15] <Brazen_Sand> Remember that I activated Stern Patronage thing
[11:15] <Brazen_Sand> And commanded them not to lie to us.
[11:15] <Brazen_Sand> So if they do, they'll burst into flames for 5L
[11:15] <Noldarr> They're unconscious
[11:15] <Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby> Oh right the lie or die thing
[11:16] <Noldarr> Can you command them while they're unconscious?
[11:16] <Brazen_Sand> As long as teh brand is there
[11:16] <Nomoe_Hideaki> You realize, that you're giving them an easy way out there?
[11:16] <Nomoe_Hideaki> We don't want them to commit suicide.
[11:16] <Brazen_Sand> Essence Users go down to Incapacitated
[11:16] <Noldarr> It's alright, the fire and water caste will talk
[11:17] <Brazen_Sand> You have to hit them while they're down to kill them, remember?
[11:18] <~Taurus_II> they can suicide if they want to
[11:19] <Brazen_Sand> how?
[11:19] <Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby> By uh... disobeying your Stern Patronage thingy XD
[11:20] <Noldarr> hmm
[11:20] <Noldarr> Who wants to be the bad cop?
[11:21] <Noldarr> I guess Brazen would be most appropriate, but Nomoe's disposition might suit it better
[11:21] * Inkwell is completely unqualified for that.
[11:21] <Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby> Brazen fits that bill no? :p (kk I'm done picking on him. XD)
[11:21] <Noldarr> Yes, but Brazen is actually a nice guy at heart
[11:21] <Noldarr> so of
[11:21] <Noldarr> sort of*
[11:22] <Noldarr> but Nomoe plays hardball
[11:22] <Brazen_Sand> If they disobey the SPT, then they'll go down to incapacitated
[11:22] <Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby> Well Ruby won't. She's not that mean, and well she doesn't have any of the fancy interrogation charms XD
[11:22] <Brazen_Sand> because the rules state that an essence user is brought down to incapacitated when damaged a lot
[11:22] <Brazen_Sand> To kill an essence user, you have to attack them while they're incapacitated
[11:23] <~Taurus_II> I'm making an exception to the rules
[11:23] <~Taurus_II> because otherwise it would be impossible for essence-users to suicide
[11:23] <Brazen_Sand> Geh, fine, I deactivate them then
[11:23] <~Taurus_II> just in general
[11:23] <Noldarr> Are we really that scared of a bunch of DBs escaping from this dungeon?
[11:24] <Brazen_Sand> We're more worried about them killing themselves
[11:24] <Brazen_Sand> Okay, the Sigils are gone
[11:24] <~Taurus_II> ok
[11:24] <Noldarr> Well, they're restrained, I assume
[11:24] <Noldarr> and we're definitely keeping the Water unconscious
[11:24] <Noldarr> for now
[11:24] <Nomoe_Hideaki> Taurus_II, note that I will have Judge's ear technique active. So if they lie, tell half-truths, or are being deliberately evasive, tell me :)
[11:25] <Brazen_Sand> We could just have someone block the door
[11:25] <Brazen_Sand> as well
[11:25] <Nomoe_Hideaki> even at full health they couldn't escape us
[11:25] <Noldarr> actually, we should probably keep all but the Fire unconscious
[11:25] <Noldarr> for now
[11:25] <Nomoe_Hideaki> they just aren't fast enough to get away from Hideaki or Noldarr's mount
[11:26] <Brazen_Sand> he has the horse inside the dungeon?
[11:26] <Nomoe_Hideaki> Wouldn't surprise me? ;p
[11:26] <Brazen_Sand> well that just looks silly
[11:27] <Noldarr> ...
[11:27] <Noldarr> If they get out of the dungeon
[11:27] <Noldarr> then my horse can chase them
[11:27] <Brazen_Sand> Ahhh, that works
[11:27] <Brazen_Sand> Anyway, shall we begin?
[11:27] <Brazen_Sand> Who has the best Social Stats?
[11:27] <Noldarr> *raises hand* I have...pretty high social stats
[11:28] <Noldarr> They're not like uber
[11:28] <Noldarr> I think most of our social combat is linguistics-based, actually
[11:29] <Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby> I'm certainly not Social Combat capable. XD
[11:29] <Brazen_Sand> I've got Presence 4 (intimidation +2)
[11:30] <Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby> Though ... I do have a charm ... that would help. XD Still...
[11:30] <Brazen_Sand> Which charm is that?
[11:31] <Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby> Thousandfold Courtesan Calculations
[11:31] <Brazen_Sand> oh dear
[11:31] <Brazen_Sand> Well, looks like it's up to Brazen Sand to save the day again
[11:31] * ~Taurus_II laughs
[11:31] <Brazen_Sand> *awesomeface*
[11:32] <Inkwell> I could make social attacks through notes, I guess.
[11:32] <Brazen_Sand> I wish I could actually post that SA emoticon
[11:32] <Brazen_Sand> Or you could just tear the memories from their minds
[11:37] <Noldarr> does anyone remember the dicepool for a Break Motivation action?
[11:37] <~Taurus_II> it can be any social pool
[11:37] <~Taurus_II> I think
[11:37] <Noldarr> their wp has to be zero, though, right?
[11:38] <~Taurus_II> yeah
[11:38] <Nomoe_Hideaki> I'm working on that :D
[11:38] <Noldarr> I'm pretty sure I can just NMI + stunt them down to 0 wp
[11:38] <Brazen_Sand> They only need to spend willpower once to ignore NMI for the scene
[11:38] <Brazen_Sand> I believe
[11:39] <~Taurus_II> you have to keep them from regaining their full WP for (perm WP + Essence) days
[11:39] <Noldarr> you can stunt to force them
[11:39] <Nomoe_Hideaki> both banners are inscribed using Flawless Brush Discipline.
[11:39] <Noldarr> to re-spend
[11:39] <Noldarr> by taking a different angle of attack
[11:39] <Nomoe_Hideaki> created using the full performance excellency and channeling conviction
[11:39] <~Taurus_II> ok
[11:39] <Nomoe_Hideaki> .exf 17 x2
[11:39] <Pattern_Spider> Nomoe_Hideaki [12, 8] successes against TN7
[11:40] <Nomoe_Hideaki> They both constitute social attacks with 17 and 13 successes, virtual Appearance 13.
[11:40] <Nomoe_Hideaki> To those who read them. 3 wp to resist forming an Intimacy of admiration or even love to Nomoe Hideaki.
[11:41] <Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby> Yikes. >>
[11:45] <Nomoe_Hideaki> .exf 17 x2
[11:45] <Pattern_Spider> Nomoe_Hideaki [8, 7] successes against TN7
[11:46] <Nomoe_Hideaki> Also NMI social attacks to create Intimacies of respect toward the Celestial Deliberative.
[11:47] <~Taurus_II> just the 8 and 7 successes on those?
[11:47] <Nomoe_Hideaki> yeah, modified by the App 13 of the writing
[11:47] <~Taurus_II> right
[11:49] <Noldarr> SPR and Inkwell are patrolling outside?
[11:49] <Noldarr> or just SPR?
[11:49] <Inkwell> I'm arguing with Nomoe about the broad applications of his calligraphy.
[11:52] <~Taurus_II> I assume there's a table and such?
[11:52] <Noldarr> yes?
[11:53] <Brazen_Sand> Chairs too, right?
[11:53] <~Taurus_II> yes
[11:53] <Brazen_Sand> A drain for blood?
[11:54] <~Taurus_II> uh...
[11:54] <Inkwell> No!
[11:54] <~Taurus_II> this is an interrogation chamber
[11:54] <~Taurus_II> not a torture chamber
[11:54] <Brazen_Sand> Exactly
[11:54] <~Taurus_II> those are down the hall :P
[11:54] <Brazen_Sand> enhanced interrogation
[11:54] <Brazen_Sand> Good to know
[11:54] <Brazen_Sand> Although that might be difficult. Stupid Compassion 4
[11:54] <Inkwell> Studies show that enhanced interrogation, in addition to the ethical problems, doesn't actually work.
[11:55] <Brazen_Sand> But we're superhumans who can detect lies and such
[11:55] <Brazen_Sand> Plus, I have charms that specifically make torture work
[11:55] <Inkwell> So were our last incarnations, but that didn't stop them from hearing the answers they wanted to hear and ignoring the rest.
[11:55] <Nomoe_Hideaki> Good cop, bad cop, uncaring cop :D
[11:55] <Brazen_Sand> Sounds good
[11:55] <Brazen_Sand> Okay, Noldarr, you be good cop
[11:56] <Brazen_Sand> I'll be bad cop
[11:56] <Noldarr> ...that's what I've been doing this _entire_ time
[11:56] <Brazen_Sand> Nomoe, you be uncaring and thus even more threatening cop
[11:56] <Brazen_Sand> Just making it official, man
[11:56] <Inkwell> I'll be harmless and therefore potentially CRAZY cop.
[11:56] <Noldarr> he's the Joker.
[11:57] <Inkwell> Doubtless she wonders whether at any moment I may pour the tea down her nose.
[11:57] <Brazen_Sand> Teaboarding? You bastard!
[11:57] <Noldarr> doubtless she's wondering if there's a bomb in the tea
[11:57] <Noldarr> just waiting for your phone call
[11:57] <Inkwell> I don't know what you mean! I've done nothing!
[11:58] <Noldarr> is it obvious when someone runs out of willpower?
[11:59] <Brazen_Sand> Charisma + Presence + 5 hits of Malfean Excellency
[11:59] <Nomoe_Hideaki> No, but due to transparency we'll know
[11:59] <Brazen_Sand> .ex 15
[11:59] <Pattern_Spider> Brazen_Sand rolled 7 successes against TN 7[4, 4, 10, 6, 7, 6, 8, 9, 8, 4, 6, 6, 9, 3, 1]
[11:59] <Brazen_Sand> Oh crap, forgot the stunt.
[11:59] <Brazen_Sand> .ex 2
[11:59] <Pattern_Spider> Brazen_Sand rolled 1 successes against TN 7[1, 9]
[11:59] <Brazen_Sand> yaaay 8
[12:00] <Nomoe_Hideaki> Has she looked at the banners dominating the wall behind us Exalts yet?
[12:01] <Inkwell> Inkwell, deciding to be helpful even with Nomoe's self-aggrandizing misuse of calligraphy, flutters the banners in an unseen wind!
[12:01] <~Taurus_II> Yes, she has.
[12:01] <Brazen_Sand> Does that count as a sucessful stunt?
[12:01] <Brazen_Sand> Cause if so, I'd take 8 motes back with Malfeas Mythos Exultant
[12:02] <~Taurus_II> you get the motes back regardless
[12:02] <Brazen_Sand> yeah, but MME doubles the mote awards
[12:02] <Brazen_Sand> but only for successful stunts
[12:02] <~Taurus_II> then no
[12:02] <Brazen_Sand> k
[12:03] <Brazen_Sand> We should remember that the Water Aspect is probably really low on Willpower after the fight
[12:03] <~Taurus_II> she has Defense-From-Anathema Method up
[12:03] <~Taurus_II> why would the water aspect be low on WP?
[12:03] <Noldarr> what's that do?
[12:03] <Brazen_Sand> Doesn't her PD use Willpower points?
[12:03] <Noldarr> it uses ahls
[12:04] <Noldarr> 5m, 1ahl
[12:04] <Brazen_Sand> Ouch!
[12:04] <Noldarr> I think
[12:04] <~Taurus_II> something like that
[12:04] <Inkwell> If we all go a long way away, and attack her with calligraphy, Dragon's Parable Defense will stop working!
[12:04] <Noldarr> yeah, it's pretty brutal
[12:04] <~Taurus_II> D-F-A Method increases her MDVs by her Essence rating
[12:04] <~Taurus_II> in this case, 4
[12:04] <Noldarr> oh, that's all?
[12:04] <Brazen_Sand> Hmmm, that's going to be a tough nut to crack
[12:04] <Nomoe_Hideaki> well, she can't boost it further with excellencies though
[12:05] <~Taurus_II> it increases her physical DVs also
[12:05] <Nomoe_Hideaki> since that should be the cap for her
[12:05] <~Taurus_II> but those aren't relevant right now
[12:05] <Inkwell> But it only works if we're nearby!
[12:05] <Inkwell> If we just escort all the Celestials out of the vicinity, it stops working.
[12:06] <Brazen_Sand> I use Scorn the Stars
[12:06] <Brazen_Sand> Oh wait, it's a static rating, nvm
[12:06] <Nomoe_Hideaki> mmhhh ... would AESS be able to see the markings of intimacies reinforced by UMI or other Charms?
[12:07] <Brazen_Sand> I doubt it. That's stuff in your brain
[12:07] <Inkwell> Unlikely.
[12:07] <Brazen_Sand> It's not really essence
[12:07] <~Taurus_II> yeah, it can't
[12:08] <Brazen_Sand> Well, let's keep plugging away, maybe her defiance can tell us as much as if she had cracked.
[12:08] <Brazen_Sand> Wait, she was affected by the writing, right?
[12:09] <~Taurus_II> she was gained an Intimacy of grudging admiration for Nomoe
[12:09] <~Taurus_II> the NMI effect bounced off
[12:09] <Brazen_Sand> Hmmm...so she actually ate it
[12:09] <Nomoe_Hideaki> Committing 20 motes to Infinite Presence Mastery
[12:10] <Nomoe_Hideaki> Social attack to taunt her into revealing what she knows about the Infernal.
[12:10] <Noldarr> using Supreme Perfection of Presence
[12:10] <Nomoe_Hideaki> .ex 21
[12:10] <Pattern_Spider> Nomoe_Hideaki rolled 14 successes against TN 7[5, 10, 8, 3, 9, 1, 3, 1, 5, 10, 1, 8, 4, 9, 10, 1, 9, 9, 7, 3, 8]
[12:10] <Noldarr> .ex 23
[12:10] <Pattern_Spider> Noldarr rolled 10 successes against TN 7[3, 3, 8, 6, 2, 2, 8, 9, 10, 5, 9, 3, 7, 6, 6, 7, 3, 6, 2, 3, 5, 7, 9]
[12:10] <Inkwell> Standing by to use Conceptual Context Expansion...
[12:10] <Noldarr> and stunt
[12:10] <Noldarr> .ex 2
[12:10] <Nomoe_Hideaki> also Mastery of Small Manners, for Appearance 6
[12:10] <Pattern_Spider> Noldarr rolled 2 successes against TN 7[5, 10]
[12:11] <Noldarr> My action is an attack on any negative intimacies she may hold towards Anathema
[12:11] <Noldarr> or, if she lacks those, a building of positive intimacies towards Celestials
[12:15] <Nomoe_Hideaki> So she resists Nomoe's social attack?
[12:15] <Brazen_Sand> If she figures out I'm an Infernal, then tell her that i've been enslaved or something
[12:15] <Noldarr> we can just tell her the truth
[12:15] <Inkwell> Conceptual Context Expansion is go! Supplementing with ten dice from my Excellency and a two-die stunt.
[12:15] <Inkwell> .ex 22
[12:15] <Pattern_Spider> Inkwell rolled 7 successes against TN 7[5, 2, 2, 6, 2, 6, 10, 8, 5, 8, 1, 2, 10, 3, 5, 4, 7, 2, 1, 6, 2, 3]
[12:15] <Brazen_Sand> ouch
[12:15] <Noldarr> That you rebelled against Malfeas
[12:16] <Inkwell> Triple-damned, hateful dice!
[12:16] <Brazen_Sand> That won't really help our credibility though. You want her to understand that you're powerful AND you hate the Yozis and demons
[12:16] <Noldarr> use the second excellency next time?
[12:16] <Noldarr> Um
[12:16] <Noldarr> Your successful rebellion does not indicate precisely that?
[12:16] <Brazen_Sand> Okay, it won't help as much
[12:16] * Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby holds a funeral for Inkwells dice
[12:17] <Noldarr> anyway, do we know if her intimacies change as a result of our social attacks?
[12:17] <Brazen_Sand> She would probably assume that I'm lying
[12:17] <Noldarr> well, that depends on her DVs
[12:17] <Brazen_Sand> They believe that Anathema are liars who can twist the minds of mortals with every word, after all.
[12:17] <~Taurus_II> Nomoe's attack was unsuccessful because she doesn't know she serves the Yozis
[12:18] <Nomoe_Hideaki> she was supposed to deny it with more detail, though :p
[12:18] <Noldarr> I believe if you penetrate MDV they believe what you say but, if they don't want to believe it, can spend willpower to just shut it out of their minds
[12:18] <Noldarr> Similar to how extremists ignore rational arguments
[12:18] <Brazen_Sand> .ex 12
[12:18] <Pattern_Spider> Brazen_Sand rolled 8 successes against TN 7[2, 4, 10, 4, 9, 9, 3, 9, 8, 7, 1, 7]
[12:18] <Brazen_Sand> Yeah, that was mostly a formality. I just like rolling dice
[12:19] <~Taurus_II> wait... so what was Inkwell rolling dice for above?
[12:20] <Noldarr> he was using context expansion
[12:20] <Noldarr> to get her to spill
[12:20] <Noldarr> but we assume it failed =(
[12:20] <Nomoe_Hideaki> .ex 21
[12:20] <Pattern_Spider> Nomoe_Hideaki rolled 15 successes against TN 7[10, 9, 10, 5, 5, 9, 6, 7, 10, 2, 8, 8, 1, 2, 4, 5, 7, 5, 5, 9, 10]
[12:20] <Nomoe_Hideaki> (And Appearance 6)
[12:21] <Nomoe_Hideaki> Again, trying to get her to elaborate on the source of the tracts - possibly in the course of denying that he/she is an infernal.
[12:21] <Brazen_Sand> What is the DB's Appearance, anyway?
[12:21] <~Taurus_II> not entirely sure, actually :P
[12:22] <~Taurus_II> I'll go with 4
[12:22] <Inkwell> Hey, we should be factoring in for Appearance! I'm too pretty for her not to tell me things.
[12:22] <Brazen_Sand> I can make her less pretty...
[12:22] <Noldarr> No
[12:22] <Nomoe_Hideaki> So, effectively 18 successes - 15 base plus the penalties she takes for lower App and the Intimacy she has to Nomoe.
[12:22] <Noldarr> Anyway
[12:22] <Noldarr> still trying to break her neg intimacies of anathema
[12:22] <Noldarr> or build positive intimacies towards us
[12:23] <Noldarr> .ex 25
[12:23] <Pattern_Spider> Noldarr rolled 12 successes against TN 7[5, 9, 9, 8, 6, 1, 8, 10, 3, 4, 8, 6, 4, 4, 1, 3, 7, 7, 3, 9, 5, 1, 5, 9, 9]
[12:23] <~Taurus_II> hang on hang on
[12:23] <Nomoe_Hideaki> Also, with my previous use of Mastery of Small Manners, what's her motivation in this scene?
[12:26] <~Taurus_II> Her motivation is to resist the eeevul Anathema
[12:26] <Inkwell> Easy enough to do with these foul dicelings on her side.
[12:26] <Brazen_Sand> Man, too bad I'm not that attractive
[12:26] <Brazen_Sand> I'm only handsome
[12:27] <Brazen_Sand> : <
[12:27] <Inkwell> I'm hella pretty but have no skills to leverage it with.
[12:27] <Brazen_Sand> You look like Ken
[12:27] <Brazen_Sand> from Street Fighter.
[12:27] <Brazen_Sand> Not that that's a bad thing
[12:27] <Inkwell> I'd be even //worse// if the character creation rules let me be comprehensively bad at something.
[12:28] <~Taurus_II> okay...
[12:28] <Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby> hehe
[12:28] <Brazen_Sand> I actually thought of a system like that. You can take negative specialty points for free specialty points in other areas
[12:28] <~Taurus_II> okay, now Nomoe's attack
[12:28] <~Taurus_II> I realize I'm doing this all out of order
[12:28] <~Taurus_II> but you guys keep snowballing everything :P
[12:28] <~Taurus_II> wait...
[12:29] <~Taurus_II> Inkwell's CCE should be first, shouldn't it?
[12:29] <Noldarr> CCE, then TREASON, then Nomoe, then Noldarr
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[12:33] <Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby> Heh, lost Brazen?
[12:33] <Nomoe_Hideaki> rpg.net down for you people as well?
[12:33] <~Taurus_II> indeed
[12:33] <~Taurus_II> yes, it is
[12:33] <Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby> Yep...
[12:33] <Nomoe_Hideaki> Oh well.
[12:34] <Noldarr> yeah...
[12:34] <Noldarr> it's been down for like a hour, actually
[12:34] <Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby> Hmmm good thing I loaded my sheet when I did XD
[12:35] * Nomoe_Hideaki has the sheet permanently open
[12:35] <Nomoe_Hideaki> currently at 40 tabs and rising
[12:35] * Noldarr has the sheet on Pages
[12:35] <Noldarr> I usually keep 108+ tabs open =D
[12:35] <Nomoe_Hideaki> ok, that's even more than for me
[12:36] <Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby> I kinda think my 4 is too many Oo
[12:36] <Noldarr> I almost never go below 20
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[12:36] <Nomoe_Hideaki> Me neither. Rarely go about 80 or so, though.
[12:36] <Nomoe_Hideaki> *over
[12:36] <~Taurus_II> ah good
[12:36] <Brazen_Sand> Hey, sorry about that
[12:37] <~Taurus_II> there's the Fire Aspect's response
[12:37] <~Taurus_II> *is vaguely amused nobody has asked her name*
[12:37] <Noldarr> cuts off at "those with"
[12:37] <Brazen_Sand> I didn't even notice that I had been disconnected. It never said anything
[12:37] <Noldarr> more, but her honesty burns like a flame to those with
[12:37] <Noldarr> ah, okay
[12:38] <Noldarr> quick check
[12:38] <Noldarr> is the Air Aspect we fought
[12:38] <Noldarr> female?
[12:38] <~Taurus_II> no.
[12:38] <Noldarr> okay.
[12:39] <~Taurus_II> Air and Water are male. Earth, Fire, and Wood are female
[12:39] <Nomoe_Hideaki> You need to be attuned to the manse to make use of a hearthstone, right?
[12:39] <~Taurus_II> yes.
[12:39] <Nomoe_Hideaki> Mmhh. Anyone else have a way to bestow essence sight on her?
[12:39] <Inkwell> Wait, did my magic actually work for some reason?
[12:40] <~Taurus_II> uh?
[12:40] <~Taurus_II> yeah
[12:40] <~Taurus_II> I forgot what you rolled, so I just went with it
[12:41] <Inkwell> I approve!
[12:42] <~Taurus_II> heh
[12:43] <Nomoe_Hideaki> are you continuing to work up the backlog of past social attacks or waiting for us to respond, Taurus?
[12:44] <~Taurus_II> waiting for you guys now
[12:44] <~Taurus_II> sorry, should've made that more clear
[12:44] <Nomoe_Hideaki>
[20:39:24] Nomoe_Hideaki: Mmhh. Anyone else have a way to bestow essence sight on her?
[12:44] <Brazen_Sand> Sorry
[12:45] <Nomoe_Hideaki> is there something we could put into a yasal crystal so that it bestows essence sight on the bearer of the crystal?
[12:46] <Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby> Wha no one has Essence Sight now? XD
[12:46] <Nomoe_Hideaki> None we can give to others.
[12:46] <Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby> AHHHH!
[12:46] * Nomoe_Hideaki was thinking of proving the Infernal Charms to the Fire Aspect
[12:46] <Nomoe_Hideaki> but no such luck, it seems
[12:46] <Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby> I understand the desire now. XD
[12:47] <Brazen_Sand> I can get Glowing Demon Eye
[12:47] <Brazen_Sand> But I can't give it to anyone
[12:48] <Noldarr> social attack to break her indoctrination
[12:48] <Noldarr> .ex 25
[12:48] <Pattern_Spider> Noldarr rolled 15 successes against TN 7[6, 9, 1, 4, 3, 6, 10, 8, 10, 5, 2, 10, 5, 3, 2, 2, 7, 10, 4, 9, 10, 7, 5, 1, 5]
[12:48] <~Taurus_II> break her indoctrinaiton meaning what exactly?
[12:49] <Inkwell> I guess I could drag her out into the Wyld and mutate her into having a lidless demon eye.
[12:49] <Noldarr> convince her that she can't rely on the fallacy of 'anytime they convince me of anything it's anathema mind control'
[12:49] <Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby> lol!
[12:49] <Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby> Oh ya Inkwell that will go well with her current opinion of us XD
[12:50] <Nomoe_Hideaki> We could go out in the Wyld and shape her into a better (read: less rebellious) DB? :p
[12:50] <Brazen_Sand> I nominate Noldarr's speech for a 3-die stunt
[12:50] <Inkwell> I'm sure if I threw in some extra beneficial mutations she'd be overall pleased!
[12:50] <Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby> You'd think Autochonians would have a device for that, essence sight. Oo
[12:50] <Noldarr> why thank you ^_^
[12:50] <~Taurus_II> excellent
[12:51] <~Taurus_II> what's Noldarr's App again?
[12:52] <~Taurus_II> ok
[12:52] <~Taurus_II> it's successful
[12:52] <Noldarr> yay
[12:52] <~Taurus_II> and I will brb
[12:53] <Noldarr> hmm
[12:54] <Noldarr> What are we doing after this?
[12:54] <Inkwell> I shall brb also, being in danger of lethal starvationism.
[12:56] <Brazen_Sand> I suppose that depends on her response
[12:56] <~Taurus_II> *returns with hot dogs*
[12:56] <Noldarr> are we prepared to deal with a Fiend Caste even if we know everything?
[12:58] <Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby> I'd be amazed that we can't contain a Fiend among the ...5 of us
[12:58] <Noldarr> well, they are supposed to be really uber at hiding and escaping
[12:59] <Noldarr> The main thing is actually finding her, taking her down isn't too hard
[12:59] <Noldarr> I was considering buying Eye of the Unconquered Sun for that exact reason, actually
[13:00] <~Taurus_II> her intimacy against Anathema is gone.
[13:01] <Brazen_Sand> back
[13:01] <Brazen_Sand> Yaaay
[13:01] <Noldarr> cuts off at sowing chaos, Nomoe
[13:03] <Nomoe_Hideaki> Social attack to convince her that she and her fellow Immaculates has been used by an Infernal and that it is in their best interest to help bring them in.
[13:03] <Nomoe_Hideaki> .ex 21
[13:03] <Pattern_Spider> Nomoe_Hideaki rolled 15 successes against TN 7[3, 6, 7, 8, 7, 4, 2, 8, 7, 10, 4, 7, 10, 8, 2, 1, 9, 3, 6, 10, 8]
[13:04] <Nomoe_Hideaki> (modified by App 6 (MoSM) and the Intimacy she has to him)
[13:05] <Brazen_Sand> Will I need social combat to get her to answer that question Brazen asked?
[13:05] <Brazen_Sand> It's not really hostile
[13:05] <Nomoe_Hideaki> (note that this is the third NMI attack in this scene, so if she has already spent 2 wp to resist Nomoe's previous social attacks, then this won't require any more - unless you judge it a sufficiently different approach)
[13:05] <Nomoe_Hideaki> (if she has successfully employed MDV previously though, then she still has to spend wp if the attack succeeds)
[13:08] <~Taurus_II> hang on a tick
[13:09] <~Taurus_II> she does spend the willpower
[13:10] <Nomoe_Hideaki> (the first or the second for this direction of NMI social attacks?)
[13:10] <~Taurus_II> she spends it this time
[13:10] <~Taurus_II> I've been having her rely on DV and not spend willpower up till now
[13:11] <Nomoe_Hideaki> Nomoe's last social attack got the same number of successes as this one though ...
[13:11] <Noldarr> since she doesn't think Anathema are evil anymore, have her motivations for the scene changed?
[13:11] <Noldarr> Nomoe, didn't your last social attack work?
[13:12] <Nomoe_Hideaki> I don't know.
[13:12] <~Taurus_II> I'm pretty sure it did
[13:12] <Nomoe_Hideaki> Ok. If you said so previously I must have missed it.
[13:12] <~Taurus_II> I didn't say it specifically
[13:12] <~Taurus_II> so that's probably where confusion arose
[13:14] <~Taurus_II> her motivation is still substantially the same - she doesn't believe that Anathema are by nature wicked anymore, but that doesn't mean she believes that they are the rightful rulers of Creation, or that they don't need to be resisted for other reasons
[13:16] <Noldarr> we know the Empress has returned and that she's working with the Reclamation, right?
[13:17] <Noldarr> or at least there are rumors that she's returned?
[13:17] <Nomoe_Hideaki> no
[13:17] <Nomoe_Hideaki> we know that there have been sightings
[13:17] <Nomoe_Hideaki> and that one of our infernals has said, that it's a rumor in Malfeas that she is the Ebon Dragon's bride
[13:17] <Brazen_Sand> I think that it's the most likely case, but we have no real evidence
[13:18] <Nomoe_Hideaki> and we know that whatever the case she will most likely be hostile to the Deliberative
[13:19] <Brazen_Sand> And I guess that what she just said is another point towards the Empress being an Infernalist
[13:19] <Nomoe_Hideaki> Yeah.
[13:20] <Nomoe_Hideaki> do I need to make a social attack to get her to answer my question?
[13:21] <~Taurus_II> yes
[13:21] <Nomoe_Hideaki> in that case
[13:21] <Nomoe_Hideaki> .ex 21
[13:21] <Pattern_Spider> Nomoe_Hideaki rolled 9 successes against TN 7[3, 8, 10, 7, 5, 9, 3, 9, 1, 8, 5, 8, 2, 6, 2, 4, 2, 6, 6, 9, 1]
[13:21] <Nomoe_Hideaki> (as usual, App 6, plus her Intimacy)
[13:24] <Noldarr> this is a stealth social attack on her to get her to cooperate
[13:24] <Noldarr> social stealth is...man + socialize?
[13:24] <Nomoe_Hideaki> yeah
[13:24] <Noldarr> alright
[13:24] <Nomoe_Hideaki> mmmh, I really should try that :D
[13:24] <Noldarr> .ex 16
[13:24] <Pattern_Spider> Noldarr rolled 9 successes against TN 7[4, 6, 10, 2, 9, 2, 5, 9, 10, 10, 2, 4, 8, 1, 6, 2]
[13:24] <Noldarr> for the stealth attempt
[13:25] <Noldarr> that's using supreme perfection of socialize
[13:25] <Noldarr> .ex 23
[13:25] <Pattern_Spider> Noldarr rolled 11 successes against TN 7[9, 10, 1, 3, 2, 6, 6, 1, 3, 6, 9, 1, 6, 5, 10, 4, 4, 4, 1, 7, 8, 10, 7]
[13:25] <Noldarr> for the attack
[13:26] <~Taurus_II> hmm
[13:27] <~Taurus_II> .ex 12
[13:27] <Pattern_Spider> Taurus_II rolled 4 successes against TN 7[5, 6, 5, 1, 3, 2, 8, 4, 7, 1, 1, 10]
[13:27] <~Taurus_II> and what is the purpose of your attack?
[13:27] <Noldarr> to create an intimacy of aghast betrayel towards the Empress
[13:27] <Noldarr> betrayal*
[13:29] <~Taurus_II> would've made it but for willpower
[13:30] <Noldarr> hm...
[13:31] <Nomoe_Hideaki> social attack to make it seem like the best way to prove the Empress's purity would be to help us
[13:31] <Nomoe_Hideaki> ie, Compel to cooperate
[13:31] <Brazen_Sand> clever
[13:32] <Nomoe_Hideaki> also social stealth with Supreme Perfection of Socialize
[13:32] <Nomoe_Hideaki> .ex 18
[13:32] <Pattern_Spider> Nomoe_Hideaki rolled 14 successes against TN 7[8, 7, 7, 9, 10, 6, 10, 6, 3, 10, 1, 5, 1, 8, 5, 4, 7, 10]
[13:32] <Nomoe_Hideaki> (for the surprise attack)
[13:32] <Nomoe_Hideaki> opposed by per+socialize, I think
[13:32] <~Taurus_II> .ex 12
[13:32] <Pattern_Spider> Taurus_II rolled 7 successes against TN 7[2, 3, 10, 1, 5, 7, 7, 8, 2, 5, 7, 8]
[13:32] <Nomoe_Hideaki> .ex 21
[13:32] <Pattern_Spider> Nomoe_Hideaki rolled 13 successes against TN 7[7, 1, 4, 6, 1, 7, 8, 7, 2, 9, 6, 4, 9, 9, 10, 8, 9, 1, 5, 1, 10]
[13:32] <~Taurus_II> I'm using hte condensed system
[13:32] <Nomoe_Hideaki> for the attack
[13:33] <Nomoe_Hideaki> (as usual modified by App and Intimacies)
[13:34] <~Taurus_II> right...
[13:36] <Brazen_Sand> just commenting there
[13:37] <~Taurus_II> k
[13:37] <Nomoe_Hideaki> Is that her full response? Did the social attack succeed, was wp spent, ...?
[13:38] <~Taurus_II> the social attack succeeded, and she's willing to cooperate if they continue along that track
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[13:39] <Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby> WB. ^^
[13:41] <~Taurus_II> are social attacks incoming?
[13:41] <~Taurus_II> should I wait before I write her response/
[13:42] <Brazen_Sand> I'm not social-attacking, since my stats aren't very good for it.
[13:43] <Noldarr> do you have a social flurry power?
[13:43] <Noldarr> Infernals generally become more powerful the more they do something in a scene
[13:43] <Noldarr> due to their infinite mastery duplicate
[13:43] <Brazen_Sand> Nah
[13:44] <Brazen_Sand> Also, my style wouldn't work very well in this situation
[13:44] <Nomoe_Hideaki> .ex 21
[13:44] <Pattern_Spider> Nomoe_Hideaki rolled 8 successes against TN 7[6, 6, 1, 5, 8, 7, 3, 8, 5, 7, 5, 8, 5, 1, 2, 8, 2, 6, 7, 7, 1]
[13:44] <Nomoe_Hideaki> since you wanted a social attack ;)
[13:46] <Noldarr> *pats forehead* Phew, glad that's over with
[13:46] <~Taurus_II> I didn't say I wanted one
[13:47] <~Taurus_II> I was asking if there were going to be any :P
[13:47] <Noldarr> So, I guess we need to gear up for an encounter with a Fiend Caste
[13:47] <Nomoe_Hideaki> I didn't think it was necessary, but when in doubt ...
[13:47] <Brazen_Sand> We need to sneak
[13:47] <Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby> when it doubt... roll it out? :p
[13:47] <Noldarr> but
[13:47] <Noldarr> we're terribad at sneaking
[13:47] <Brazen_Sand> *makes note to remember taht saying*
[13:47] <Noldarr> well, some of us are
[13:48] <Brazen_Sand> I can blend in pretty well
[13:48] <Brazen_Sand> SPR is hella good at sneaking
[13:48] <Noldarr> If we just get there really really fast
[13:48] <Noldarr> then they won't have time to detect us
[13:48] <Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby> I am super good at it. XD
[13:48] <Noldarr> Brazen, can your balrog form fly?
[13:48] <Brazen_Sand> Yup
[13:48] <Brazen_Sand> And we've got Launjilla too
[13:49] <Brazen_Sand> Who is big enough to hold everyone
[13:49] <Nomoe_Hideaki> Don't use the Balrog form.
[13:49] <Noldarr> I was thinking you could drop in like a paratrooper
[13:49] <Nomoe_Hideaki> Use the agata, teleport if necessary
[13:49] <Brazen_Sand> Dakka, please stop telling me what do with my character.
[13:49] <Nomoe_Hideaki> ?
[13:49] <Inkwell> Yes, yes. Tell him what to do, //in// character.
[13:50] <Noldarr> My horse can probably hold one or two more
[13:50] <Noldarr> And it can close from several hundred meters in a few seconds
[13:50] <~Taurus_II> The Fire Aspect's motivation has changed to "protect my sworn brotherhood"
[13:50] <Nomoe_Hideaki> Ruby and Nomoe can fly without being a huge kaiju in the sky.
[13:51] <Brazen_Sand> I can fly over with Launjilla and drop from high-up
[13:51] <Brazen_Sand> My Hardness alone can probably withstand terminal velocity
[13:52] <Noldarr> does anyone have Holy attacks?
[13:53] <Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby> I've none.
[13:53] <Brazen_Sand> lol no
[13:53] <Nomoe_Hideaki> None.
[13:53] <Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby> And if I did have some, they still would have no effect on the GSP/Demons/Yozi ^^
[13:53] <Noldarr> blah
[13:53] <Brazen_Sand> XD wow
[13:53] <Noldarr> Lemme think which one I should buy then
[13:53] <Brazen_Sand> Do Axiomatic attacks work on Demons?
[13:53] <Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby> Nope. Auto's rules don't effect those of the Yozi.
[13:54] <Brazen_Sand> You'd figure he'd want to defend against tehm
[13:54] <Brazen_Sand> *them
[13:54] <Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby> Now... undead and Wyld born, yes
[13:54] <Noldarr> hm...the Air Caste is an akuma, not a demon
[13:54] <Noldarr> right?
[13:54] <Brazen_Sand> no
[13:54] <Brazen_Sand> GSP
[13:54] <Inkwell> Axiomatic isn't Holy.
[13:54] <Noldarr> If it were just a demon, we'd have plenty of ways to deal with it
[13:54] <Nomoe_Hideaki> maybe she just works with the GSP, we don't know
[13:54] <Noldarr> Akuma or Fiend Caste
[13:54] <Inkwell> You don't get to mark anything you //want// to mark.
[13:54] <Inkwell> Only things that are naturally hostile to your machine-god existence.
[13:54] <Nomoe_Hideaki> there IS a GSP involved
[13:54] <Brazen_Sand> She's definitely a Fiend Caste. Inkwell found that out.
[13:54] <Noldarr> Ah, okay
[13:55] <Noldarr> We also need a way to deal with her other perfect if she has one
[13:55] <Brazen_Sand> FLURRYFLURRYFLURRYFLURRY
[13:55] <Noldarr> nothing we can do about Ablation of Brass and Fire
[13:55] <Nomoe_Hideaki> unless she is a front woman and only pretends to be the one writing the tracts
[13:55] <Noldarr> Yeah, but we should probably prepare for the worst
[13:55] <Inkwell> I found out she was a GSP, not that she was a Fiend.
[13:55] <Brazen_Sand> Ah
[13:55] <Noldarr> if she's invested that heavily in the fiend tree
[13:55] <Inkwell> It's //likely// that she's a Fiend, but she could just have a bunch of Ophidian Charms.
[13:56] <Brazen_Sand> Hmmm...I could grab her and fly her out into the desert
[13:56] <Noldarr> she's probably got the fiend PD
[13:56] <Inkwell> It's a useful anti-flurry, yeah.
[13:56] <Noldarr> cecylene's won't work here, right?
[13:56] <Brazen_Sand> Oh yeah, it'll work
[13:56] <Brazen_Sand> Does anyone have something that can hit immaterial beings?
[13:57] <~Taurus_II> actually, no, she's definitely a fiend
[13:57] <Noldarr> she's definitely a fiend?
[13:57] <Noldarr> Okay.
[13:57] <Nomoe_Hideaki> she is honest about agreeing to lead us to the probably fiend, right? (judge's ear)
[13:57] <~Taurus_II> the pamphlets were made with a combination of DB and ED charms
[13:57] <Noldarr> right
[13:58] <Inkwell> That does spell Fiendishness.
[13:58] <Inkwell> A Fiend dumb enough to waste XP on Dragon-Blooded Linguistics!
[13:58] <Inkwell> We got this one, people.
[13:58] <Noldarr> Malfeas - City, Cecylene - Immaterial, SWLHN - ?, Adorjan - enclosed spaces, Ebon Dragon - Holy
[13:58] <Noldarr> What's SWLHN's Flaw of Invulnerability again?
[13:58] <Brazen_Sand> Swillin has to pay a higher charge for attacks she doesn't know about
[13:59] <Noldarr> oh
[13:59] <Noldarr> Hm.
[13:59] <Brazen_Sand> By which I mean hasn't experienced
[13:59] <Brazen_Sand> But the PD is hella expensive
[13:59] <Noldarr> Well, SPR can do that
[13:59] <Noldarr> how specific is that?
[13:59] <Noldarr> like, Daiklaves
[13:59] <Noldarr> or
[13:59] <Brazen_Sand> Charms
[13:59] <Noldarr> This specific weapon X
[13:59] <Inkwell> This specific Charm.
[13:59] <Noldarr> alright
[13:59] <Nomoe_Hideaki> brb
[13:59] <Inkwell> Or bizarre Combos.
[13:59] <Inkwell> And it's expensive, but on the other hand, it's easy to stunt.
[14:00] <Brazen_Sand> I USE MY MEDICINE+LINGUISTICS+MELEE COMBO!
[14:00] <Noldarr> yeah, but you only get stunt rewards once for the defense flurry
[14:00] <~Taurus_II> and yes, she is honest about it
[14:00] <Brazen_Sand> Swillin:Wtf I don't even
[14:00] <Noldarr> >_>
[14:00] <Noldarr> Okay, the only ones we can't deal with are Malfeas and Cecylene
[14:00] <Noldarr> right
[14:00] <~Taurus_II> I thought nobody had holy?
[14:01] <Noldarr> I can buy that
[14:01] <~Taurus_II> oh right
[14:01] <Brazen_Sand> Again, I can grab the Fiend and toss her into the desert
[14:01] <Brazen_Sand> outside the city limits
[14:01] <Inkwell> I told you guys you should have lobbied to have my CoD status removed. Then I could have invented some Holy Charms.
[14:01] <Brazen_Sand> I doubt you could actually use Holy charms
[14:01] <Noldarr> perfect parries stop clinches
[14:01] <Noldarr> don't they?
[14:01] <Brazen_Sand> Even if you weren't a CoD
[14:01] <Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby> I have to do a read up on a few of my protocols but I suspect I can't hurt the immaterial.
[14:02] <~Taurus_II> perfect anythings stop clinches if they don't let you grab them in the first place
[14:02] <Brazen_Sand> Hmmm...I could just hit her really really really hard
[14:02] <Noldarr> yeah, but you'd have to hit her
[14:02] <Noldarr> which she'd stop with Ablation of Brass and Fire
[14:02] <Noldarr> if she has it
[14:02] <Inkwell> If I weren't a CoD, it would be simplicity itself to invent Holy Charms.
[14:03] <Brazen_Sand> I...think that's against the spirit of the rules
[14:03] <Inkwell> Righteous Arrangement of Harmonious Variables, a Charm that lets me spend a willpower to make my Mind-Hand deal aggravated damage to creatures of darkness.
[14:04] <Brazen_Sand> So what's our plan?
[14:04] <Inkwell> Being Holy isn't opposed to SWLIHN's themes. Quite the contrary, drawing on an external source of righteousness is totally in-theme.
[14:04] <Noldarr> we need some way to deal with Cecylene's perfect
[14:04] <Brazen_Sand> Just buy Spirit-Cutting Attack
[14:04] <Brazen_Sand> Besides, IC we don't even know about it.
[14:04] <Inkwell> Mind-Hand can hit the immaterial.
[14:04] <Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby> Just a warning in 56 mins I will have to depart.
[14:04] <Noldarr> you guys don't know about it?
[14:04] <Inkwell> Well, I certainly know about it.
[14:05] <Inkwell> Occult 5 with a specialty in Primordials!
[14:05] <Noldarr> My Ally could summon a really badass elemental to hand out dematerialized
[14:05] <Brazen_Sand> We don't have the time to get a Siddie
[14:06] <Brazen_Sand> We don't know she has it
[14:06] <Brazen_Sand> Actually, I have that same PD
[14:06] <Noldarr> My Ally's been accompanying us the entire time
[14:06] <Brazen_Sand> ...what?
[14:06] <Noldarr> remember?
[14:06] <Noldarr> She went to get Luyu?
[14:06] <Brazen_Sand> Then why haven't we noticed her?
[14:06] <Brazen_Sand> Oh right
[14:06] <~Taurus_II> Arcane Fate.
[14:06] <~Taurus_II> :P
[14:07] <Noldarr> also, she's just not a very obtrusive person...
[14:07] <Brazen_Sand> ...ya I guess
[14:07] <Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby> How convenient. XD
[14:07] <Brazen_Sand> Anyway, let's get to the fight
[14:07] <Brazen_Sand> Errr...fortress or whatever. I wanna get a closer look at these Warlocks (no pun intended)
[14:07] <Noldarr> Hm
[14:08] <Noldarr> Should I buy Blazing Solar Bolt or Enemy-Castigating Solar Judgment?
[14:08] <Brazen_Sand> ECS
[14:08] <Noldarr> BSB is cooler, but requires triple the charms in pre-reqs and is pretty crappy by itself
[14:08] <Brazen_Sand> I mean ESJ
[14:08] <Brazen_Sand> You can apply it to everything
[14:08] <Noldarr> yeah, that's true
[14:08] <Inkwell> Man, I should buy more demon allies to do this stuff.
[14:08] <Inkwell> Good thing the Treaty of Limbs was never technically repealed!
[14:08] <Brazen_Sand> I could get Launjilla to help
[14:08] <Noldarr> bleh, fine
[14:08] <~Taurus_II> the treaty of limbs/
[14:09] <Noldarr> I'll get Enemy-Castigating Solar Judgment
[14:09] <Brazen_Sand> First-Age treaty for demonic friends/servitors/slaves/etc.
[14:09] <~Taurus_II> ah right
[14:09] <Brazen_Sand> Oh hey, Launjilla would work under that too
[14:09] <Brazen_Sand> yaaay
[14:10] <Brazen_Sand> So do we want to go in quiet or fast and loud?
[14:11] <Nomoe_Hideaki> fast and quiet
[14:11] <Brazen_Sand> That will be hard.
[14:11] <Brazen_Sand> Hmmm, we need some kind of wireless communication artifacts
[14:11] <Brazen_Sand> you'd think that the Deliberative could've sprung for some of those
[14:11] <Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby> Well I got Fast and Quiet. XD I'm not so sure about anyone else. XD
[14:12] <Brazen_Sand> Once again, I can blend in, but I'll prolly get noticed because of my essence level
[14:12] <Noldarr> I'm fast!
[14:12] <Brazen_Sand> but not quiet
[14:12] <Brazen_Sand> But then again, maybe it won't matter
[14:12] <Brazen_Sand> Why don't we see the area first. Taurus, can we move the scene so that we can see the base?
[14:13] <Noldarr> let's do that
[14:13] <~Taurus_II> in a moment
[14:13] <Brazen_Sand> ...wait, why not have the Fire-Aspect take us in?
[14:14] <Noldarr> I think we will arouse suspicion by virtue of being insanely powerful Celestials
[14:14] <Brazen_Sand> In disguise, obviously
[14:14] <Noldarr> Can we assume she doesn't have Essence Sigh?
[14:14] <Noldarr> sight*
[14:15] * ~Taurus_II remains silent.
[14:15] <Brazen_Sand> If she has Essence Sight, then we might as well just rush her...although we won't know if she does
[14:15] <Brazen_Sand> cause she'd be able to see through any disguise we can put up currently
[14:16] <Brazen_Sand> except maybe Ruby
[14:17] <Noldarr> I thought the idea was to approach at a vector she wasn't expecting with sufficient speed to prevent reaction
[14:17] <~Taurus_II> hmmm
[14:18] <~Taurus_II> Ruby when did you say you had to leave again?
[14:18] <Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby> 42 mins
[14:18] <~Taurus_II> hm
[14:18] <Noldarr> Ruby can cloak in and investigate, then the rest of us can rush in and hit the Fiend caste like a ton of bricks
[14:18] <Nomoe_Hideaki> Yes. Pause at some distance where she won't be able to make us out yet and positively identify her location, then move in at top speed.
[14:18] <Brazen_Sand> Sounds good
[14:18] <Brazen_Sand> She's probably got guards though
[14:18] <Noldarr> We just need to confirm her identity in the event of multiple people
[14:19] <~Taurus_II> right
[14:19] <~Taurus_II> I think we'll wait until next week to start combat
[14:20] <Brazen_Sand> Awwwww
[14:20] <~Taurus_II> sorry
[14:20] <Noldarr> well, look on the bright side
[14:20] <Noldarr> now we can 4 charms deep to look for solutions to Infernal perfects
[14:20] <Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby> I'm sorry but I cannot avoid this. It has bad implications for me XD These aren't very common for me, but when they do they do mean that I have no choice in the matter. >>
[14:21] <Nomoe_Hideaki> we did spend a looong time on this interrogation
[14:21] <Brazen_Sand> Not really, only 2.5 hours, and I understand, Myll.
[14:21] <Noldarr> I thought it went rather swimmingly, actually
[14:21] <Nomoe_Hideaki> anything else we could do now?
[14:21] <Nomoe_Hideaki> Perhaps some unrelated scene?
[14:21] <Inkwell> Some things must happen! At least we learned what we wanted to know.
[14:21] <Brazen_Sand> Yeah, broke down generations of indoctrination like *snap*
[14:21] <Inkwell> I should think about what Charms to buy. I really should pick up some non-Pyrian stuff.
[14:22] <Brazen_Sand> Well, you two did. I mostly used my GLOWER POWER *glowers*
[14:22] <Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby> And I just watched XD
[14:22] <Nomoe_Hideaki> yeah :s
[14:22] <Nomoe_Hideaki> sorry
[14:22] <Brazen_Sand> What're you sorry for?
[14:22] <Nomoe_Hideaki> that Myllinnia only got to watch
[14:23] <Nomoe_Hideaki> as a result of how it turned out
[14:23] <Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby> Its fine. ^^ I was entertained by the smooth interrogrogations ^^
[14:23] <Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby> If anyone should be sorry its... on those on this side of the screen XD
[14:23] <Brazen_Sand> Hmmm...why don't I call everyone out and generally be loud
[14:23] <Brazen_Sand> while you guys sneak in?
[14:24] <Brazen_Sand> next week, I mean
[14:24] <Nomoe_Hideaki> we don't want a distraction really, since they could just take that as the signal to flee
[14:24] <Brazen_Sand> Against ANATHEMA?
[14:24] <Nomoe_Hideaki> we'll want to strike before they know what is happening
[14:25] <Brazen_Sand> Or we could just set the barn on fire and attack anyone who runs out
[14:25] <Noldarr> there might be a fire aspect in the barn
[14:25] <Noldarr> =P
[14:25] <Nomoe_Hideaki> That would also give warning.
[14:26] <Nomoe_Hideaki> I'm thinking commando assault here. Break in through doors and windows from all sides, all at once.
[14:27] <Inkwell> We really need to either buy stealth magic or stop trying to be subtle.
[14:27] <Inkwell> Or I could stop randomly assaulting people for being evil.
[14:27] <Inkwell> But I can't help it! I'm just that virtuous!
[14:27] <Brazen_Sand> That would help. Not very good for a diplomat to do
[14:27] <Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby> hehe. B, but I'm all about being sneaky and subtle XD
[14:27] <Brazen_Sand> Then why don't you sneak in, then return and tell us what's there?
[14:28] * Nomoe_Hideaki only does "so fast you don't even see me", not sneaky invisibility
[14:29] <Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby> I can sneak in... Or depending on how far away we are from the this place I can use my Scrying device
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[14:30] <Brazen_Sand> I could send Launjilla in too, but there's prolly people who could see dematerialized spirits
[14:31] <Nomoe_Hideaki> and/or wards
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[14:31] <Nomoe_Hideaki> any insights to be gained via essence sight?
[14:33] <~Taurus_II> hmm
[14:34] <Nomoe_Hideaki> how much time has passed since the interrogation at this point?
[14:34] <Nomoe_Hideaki> Since I put a lot of essence into that ...
[14:34] <Nomoe_Hideaki> and other people might have as well
[14:35] <Noldarr> I'm down like
[14:35] <Noldarr> 7 motes
[14:35] <~Taurus_II> nothing specific at this distance and through the walls. There's Terrestrial essence of all aspects, as well as ED Essence
[14:35] <Noldarr> after stunts
[14:36] <~Taurus_II> the Terrestrial essence mostly around the barn, the ED essence mostly in the outbuilding.
[14:36] <Noldarr> hm
[14:36] <Noldarr> run in an gank the ED hopefully before the Terrestials can react?
[14:36] <~Taurus_II> and it's been...
[14:36] <~Taurus_II> ohhhhh
[14:36] <~Taurus_II> say 2 hours of easy activity?
[14:37] <Nomoe_Hideaki> oh. Easily on full in that case.
[14:37] <Nomoe_Hideaki> Thank Gaia for Manses.
[14:38] <Noldarr> mkay
[14:38] <Noldarr> sooo
[14:38] <Brazen_Sand> brb
[14:39] <Noldarr> hey
[14:39] <Noldarr> is it possible
[14:39] <Noldarr> to Duck Fate a Paradox Bite
[14:39] <~Taurus_II> no
[14:39] <Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby> No
[14:39] <Inkwell> Yes, but they'll just bite you again. So no.
[14:39] <~Taurus_II> you cannot perfectly defend costs
[14:40] <Noldarr> Paradox bites are attacks, though. It's getting Paradox that's the cost
[14:40] <~Taurus_II> =/
[14:40] <~Taurus_II> it's a consequence of the cost.
[14:40] <Inkwell> Yes, but they'll just bite you again. So no.
[14:40] <Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby> I believe it is stated in Duck Fate's Errata.
[14:41] <Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby> There are just things that Sidereal cannot avoid.
[14:41] <~Taurus_II> and even if it wasn't, I'm saying you can't do it :P
[14:41] <~Taurus_II> and I'm the ST, so there.
[14:41] <Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby> hehe
[14:41] <~Taurus_II> :P
[14:41] <Nomoe_Hideaki> brb, need to reboot
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[14:41] <Noldarr> Well, I was mainly thinking if you spammed a PD while running away, you might be able to delay the effects of the bite until you're in a safe location
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[14:42] <Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby> Oo What would be a safe place? Those spiders have your thread XD
[14:43] <Noldarr> No, safe from the battle you're in
[14:43] <Noldarr> If you're blowing resplendency powers as an emergency
[14:43] <Noldarr> it would really suck to be in the middle of combat and then roll massive paradox
[14:44] <Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby> ah
[14:45] * Inkwell cleans up more bits of his ebook collection.
[14:45] <Inkwell> A bunch of these old books have a lot of scanning errors.
[14:45] <Inkwell> Pity I can't spell-check an epub file
[14:50] <~Taurus_II> optical shroud does...?
[14:50] <Noldarr> it makes her uber invisible
[14:50] <~Taurus_II> ok
[14:51] <Noldarr> I think it affects like
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[14:51] <Noldarr> sound and smell too?
[14:51] <Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby> Sound/Smell/Hearing/Supernatural/Essence
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[14:51] <Noldarr> so yeah
[14:51] <Noldarr> she's uber invisible
[14:53] <dakkareth> Did I miss much? If so, someone PM me ;)
[14:53] <Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby> As long as I don't go on a slashy slash rampage I'm good and hidden. ^^
[14:53] <Noldarr> not really
[14:53] <Noldarr> we didn't do much
[14:53] <~Taurus_II> I assume you're moving slowly to preserve the effect
[14:53] <Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby> Ya just SPR going invis and wandering away.
[14:54] <Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby> Ya, I don't think I have that sub yet.
[14:54] <dakkareth> (ah, damn. lost all my tabs on reboot :s)
[14:55] <~Taurus_II> ... hmmm
[14:55] <~Taurus_II> y'know
[14:55] <~Taurus_II> let's just stop here for today
[14:55] <Noldarr> mkay
[14:55] <~Taurus_II> since I believe Ruby has to leave in a few minutes
[14:56] <~Taurus_II> 8 XP all around, plus 1 for Noldarr
[14:56] <~Taurus_II> for the 3-die stunt
[14:56] <Noldarr> yayyy
[14:57] <Brazen_Sand> Back
[14:57] <Brazen_Sand> Okay, see you all next week.
[14:58] <dakkareth> Ok.
[14:58] <~Taurus_II> pity Raksi didn't show
[14:58] <dakkareth> Yeah.
[14:58] <Brazen_Sand> I know barely anything about her character anyway
[14:59] <~Taurus_II> true
[14:59] <Shadow_Phoenix_Ruby> later peeps, it was an entertaining session.
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[14:59] <dakkareth> We haven't been getting to know one another much, really.
[14:59] <Noldarr> she's an archer I think
[14:59] <Noldarr> Yeah, we've been pretty good about being focused on the job
[14:59] <Noldarr> =P
[15:00] <~Taurus_II> indeed
[15:00] <dakkareth> Maybe in the future ...
[15:00] <Noldarr> I think everyone's done a good job of
[15:00] <Noldarr> emphasizing their character's personality
[15:00] <Noldarr> through their speech
[15:01] <~Taurus_II> maybe in the future, indeed
[15:02] <Inkwell> Hm, what Charms should I be emphasizing my personality through? I can pick two more now. Maybe Cosmic Transcendence of Conviction.
[15:02] <Noldarr> I think your charms do a good job of that already
[15:04] <dakkareth> ((always annoying when I lose my current tabs. since firefox wipes history on restart I can never remember all tabs I had open :s))
[15:05] <~Taurus_II> Aw
[15:05] <dakkareth> granted, most of them I wasn't ever going to look at again, but still
[15:05] <Inkwell> Fine, I'll save all my XP for the overflow book.
[15:06] <Inkwell> Then I buy my way up to Primordial ALL AT ONCE.
[15:06] * dakkareth tries to decide whether I should A) buff up my Linguistics, B) get spirit hax charms to steal memories, or C) become better at fighting in preparation for the Fiend
[15:07] <Noldarr> do you have a way to hit dematerialized units?
[15:07] <~Taurus_II> B would require downtime
[15:07] <dakkareth> yeah, it would
[15:07] <dakkareth> so not now
[15:07] <Noldarr> If you got dematerialized attacks, we'd have both holy and dematerialized covered
[15:07] <dakkareth> but I'd still need to save up the YP
[15:07] <Inkwell> I should probably buy Force-Suppression Barrier for safety.
[15:07] <Noldarr> is that your PD?
[15:08] <dakkareth> no hitting dematerialized stuff
[15:08] <Inkwell> No, it's a force field that boosts my DV.
[15:08] <Noldarr> Infernals has a ton of stuff that boosts DV, if I recall
[15:08] <Noldarr> They have a three-dot targe that gives +3 DV and lets you block unblockable attacks
[15:09] <Noldarr> and then an armor that raises your DVs by your Performance
[15:09] <Inkwell> I guess I'll take that and enlarge Wholeness Rightly Assumed to cover Poison.
[15:09] <Inkwell> That completes my anti-Keyword suite.
[15:10] <dakkareth> note that DV caps still apply
[15:10] <dakkareth> with those dv raising charms. unless they say otherwise?
[15:10] <dakkareth> that one charm counts as shield bonus though, iirc
[15:10] <Noldarr> yeah, you can't really rely on charms for DV
[15:10] <Noldarr> you pretty much have to get Artifacts
[15:11] <Noldarr> once you're capped, that is
[15:13] <Inkwell> The force field also reduces my DV penalty for using Mind-Hand, so it's an excellent investment.
[15:13] <dakkareth> mmh, do fiends have much stuff to inflict penalties in combat?
[15:14] <Noldarr> um
[15:14] <Noldarr> Shadow Spite Trick
[15:14] <Noldarr> and
[15:14] <Noldarr> they have no penalties from blindness
[15:14] <Noldarr> so if they can flood the area with darkness
[15:14] <Noldarr> though, I don't think the darkness they can summon is a match for Solar anima banners
[15:14] <Inkwell> Fortunately, there's a darkness-flooding Charm in Return.
[15:15] <Noldarr> is it a match for Solar anima banners?
[15:15] <dakkareth> because I'm thinking of getting a charm to negate imposed penalties
[15:15] <Noldarr> don't excellencies already do that?
[15:16] <dakkareth> you can use excellencies, but then the maximum is still reduced
[15:16] <Noldarr> really?
[15:16] <dakkareth> yeah
[15:16] <Noldarr> I thought dice repurchased from internal penalties didn't count towards the cap
[15:16] <dakkareth> unless you're a sidereal with the first excellency ... though I'm not sure if that's still the case in 2nd edition
[15:16] <dakkareth> no, they do count
[15:16] <dakkareth> unless the charm explicitly says they don't
[15:17] <Noldarr> don't the excellencies explicity say they don't?
[15:17] <Noldarr> *hasn't read the books in a while*
[15:18] <dakkareth> no they don't
[15:19] <dakkareth> I checked
[15:19] <dakkareth> it does say that charms that remove internal penalties don#t count as increasing the dice pool, but that's something quite different
[15:21] <Noldarr> hm
[15:21] <Noldarr> Corona of Radiance is so cool
[15:21] <Noldarr> but soooo impractical
[15:21] <Noldarr> T_T
[15:21] <dakkareth> from where?
[15:21] <Noldarr> Dawn Solution
[15:22] <Noldarr> it does like
[15:22] <Noldarr> oneshot the Ebon Dragon though
[15:22] <Noldarr> ^_^
[15:22] <dakkareth> heh
[15:22] <dakkareth> Mmh, maybe I'll get a Holy charm
[15:27] <Noldarr> demon ink tattoos
[15:27] <Noldarr> do their bonuses count as dice from charms or natural?
[15:27] <Noldarr> or neither?
[15:29] <dakkareth> that is a horrible, horrible artifact
[15:29] <dakkareth> And it should die in a fire.
[15:29] <Brazen_Sand> hello?
[15:29] <dakkareth> they should count as an artifact bonus
[15:29] <Brazen_Sand> Demon Ink Charms?
[15:30] <dakkareth> that is, they don't count against the dice adder cap, but also don't increase the caop
[15:30] <dakkareth> *cap
[15:30] <Noldarr> eh, they're not terrible
[15:30] <~Taurus_II> what Dakk saud
[15:30] <~Taurus_II> said*
[15:30] <Noldarr> Crown of Thunders = far, far worse
[15:30] <Brazen_Sand> But Crown of Thunders is supposed to be one of a kind
[15:30] <dakkareth> and they shouldn't actually RAISE abilities but provide bonus dice
[15:30] <Noldarr> Agreed on that
[15:30] <Brazen_Sand> so it's not like you can just go "Oh I've got 10 XP, I'm gonna purchase a Crown of Thunders"
[15:30] <dakkareth> trust me when I say that, I've abused them myself
[15:31] <Brazen_Sand> It's true, he has XP
[15:31] <Noldarr> yes, but the crown sets a precedent for artifacts raising abilities
[15:31] <Brazen_Sand> Those Solar-tattoos man. Shit got way out of hand with everyone
[15:31] <Noldarr> a very high precedent
[15:31] <Brazen_Sand> Yes, but the CoT was supposed to be special. I'm not saying that was RIGHT.
[15:31] <Brazen_Sand> I'm just saying that I could reasonably believe that it could do that.
[15:32] <dakkareth> It's ok to provide virtual increases.
[15:32] <dakkareth> But not actual.
[15:32] <dakkareth> Just like boosting Appearance by Charms and Artifacts is different from actually having an Appearance that high.
[15:32] <dakkareth> Or should be different, IMO, at least.
[15:32] <Brazen_Sand> Yeah
[15:33] <Noldarr> well, the thing with the CoT is that you can say it's supposed to be unique, but even as a unique it's still no more powerful than any other artifact 5, so you can therefore say that all artifact 5s should be as strong as the Crown...
[15:33] <Brazen_Sand> But I think that anyone who thought "Oh because this super-special one of a kind artifact can increase attributes, it's open season on ANY artifact doing htat" is...well, missing the point
[15:33] <Brazen_Sand> But that's retarded
[15:33] <Brazen_Sand> that all Artifact 5s should be that strong, I mean
[15:33] <Noldarr> it's the only mechanically fair way of judging
[15:34] <Noldarr> Otherwise, you can get more power for buying one Artifact 5 than another
[15:34] <Brazen_Sand> But the CoT is special
[15:34] <Brazen_Sand> you can't just *buy* one
[15:35] <Brazen_Sand> I wouldn't even rule that you could make one with a Factory-Cathedral and stuff
[15:35] <Noldarr> ...So its availability is entirely a function of the GM, and therefore its effective power to cost shifts with every different GM
[15:35] <Noldarr> So it's like Obsidion Shards of Infinity
[15:36] <dakkareth> Something else I've thought about ... our houserules (free reflexives!) really lower the usefulness of surprise attacks.
[15:36] <dakkareth> Usually when making a surprise attack and your opponent has an anti-surprise Charm he is forced to use a combo even if he otherwise would not chose to use one. And if he wants to have multiple combos he has to add the anti-surprise charm to each of them or leave a hole in his defenses.
[15:36] <Noldarr> yeah, but I like it this way
[15:36] <Noldarr> having to buy paranoia combos is lame
[15:36] <dakkareth> But with free reflexives all that a surprise attack - which can be expensive to set up! - requires to negate is a simple 1m.
[15:36] <Brazen_Sand> If you use that Adorjan charm that lets you dash as a reflexive action
[15:37] <Brazen_Sand> Technically, you could dash infinitely
[15:37] <dakkareth> That makes surprise attacks a non-viable mode of attack against enemies who do have a defense.
[15:37] <Brazen_Sand> and Instantly
[15:37] <Noldarr> it's still better than the alternative, though
[15:37] <dakkareth> Therefore I propose that the anti-surprise charms should get a cost surcharge of +2m while under the free reflexives house rule
[15:38] <~Taurus_II> hmmm
[15:38] <Brazen_Sand> I am not opposed
[15:38] <dakkareth> That way it can still be effective to use a surprise attack against an enemy who has a defense against those
[15:39] <Noldarr> *doesn't care one way or the other*
[15:40] <~Taurus_II> sounds reasonable
[15:40] <dakkareth> Because to set up a surprise attack you either take a hit of 3 dice to your attack or spend motes on a charm that allows for a surprise attack. If a defense costs only 1m then you won't ever do that. If the defense costs 3m, then you can break even or ideally even get a small advantage by having focused on that mode of attack.
[15:41] <~Taurus_II> fair enough
[15:41] <Brazen_Sand> Hmmm...after the intrigue bit here is done, what kind of game is it going to be?
[15:42] <Brazen_Sand> I want to know because I'm kind of unsure of which charms to pick. Social or not...
[15:42] <~Taurus_II> I was going to aim for more intrigue for a while
[15:42] <dakkareth> should I add it to the house rules wiki page?
[15:42] <~Taurus_II> social chamrs would be good
[15:42] <~Taurus_II> I can add it
[15:42] <dakkareth> ok
[15:42] <Noldarr> ooh, you should get Viridian Legend Exoskeleton
[15:42] <Noldarr> it's so awesome
[15:42] <dakkareth> it depends a lot on whether we become a circle rather than a group of people who work together on one case.
[15:43] <Noldarr> especially with the Indefinite upgrade at Essence 4+
[15:43] <Brazen_Sand> Dakkareth, do you want to do some 1on1 RPing?
[15:43] <Brazen_Sand> It would be interesting
[15:43] <Noldarr> and it's compatible with armor!
[15:43] <~Taurus_II> right now I'm just considering whether or not it should be possible to build anti-surprise combos in order to not have to pay the surcharge
[15:43] <dakkareth> If we do, then it will be our own goals that will eventually define the story
[15:43] <~Taurus_II> ... although there's still no real incentive to
[15:43] <Brazen_Sand> You know, I would get VLE, but I already have DEAS
[15:43] <~Taurus_II> since combos cost a willpower
[15:44] <dakkareth> and xp
[15:44] <~Taurus_II> well, yes
[15:44] <Noldarr> but then you could become a balor in glowing emerald power armor
[15:44] <Noldarr> you'd be like
[15:44] <Noldarr> a Balor Space Marine
[15:44] <Brazen_Sand> I've already got Vitriol-tainted Moonsilver armour
[15:44] <dakkareth> ahh, and now I understand why moonsilver
[15:44] <dakkareth> because of the transformation
[15:44] <Brazen_Sand> Yup!
