Forgotten Freedom:66
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Naz'roth wasnt at the party. he, bieng a powerful extraplanar entity felt extremly
uncomftable when even in the same room as Satnak. being around someone whom was
designed to slay his kind did that to someone. Naz'roth prefered to be in the Darker
sections of the ship, Hunting down some of the nastier stowaways. Tara had gone to the
party, she had said that at least one of them should turn up. Naz'roth smiled. she
had an evil mind that one, sometimes she surpassed even his darkest thoughts.
Naz'roth had felt somthing at the edge of his mind recently, as well as small pulses
of magical energy being unleashed every so often. he stalked silently through the corridors, like a wraith he made
no noise, it was closer now. a horrible aura of "good" filled the air. he could taste the compassion and feeling. it
was all he could do not to retch, he could stand normal compassion, but this... only celestials made such a large
aura of it. he'd have to be careful.
Levy and Satnak just stand there on deck for a long
time, gazing at each other. There is a clichéd whispering breeze in the air, halted finally by
Death Paper rubbing his pages together to create a counter-flow.
Levy bows to acknolwedge the defeat.
Satnak: :w00t:
She walks back up to the mic, ludicrously happy. There's a tiny bit of sweat on her brow, but she flicks it off and
it gleams in the sun.
Satnak: I’d actually like to thank all you—
The world becomes completely still.
Satnak: KANTASH!
Kantash: It’s not me.
Silver, Crow, and 13: :mymy: This is not good.
Satnak: WT—
A beam of pure power erupts from the deck under Satnak’s feet, enveloping her. Nothing
is seen until an explosion of the deck send her body skywards to land on the gift table with a crash.
Satnak is severely burned, so much so that most of her tattoos are not visible and she
appears unconcious.
A figure jumps up from the hole: Satnak, but scantly clad and with no blemishes on her
sky. She also radiates a visible aura of power.
Alt-Satnak (looking over at Satnak): I have to say I’m
disappointed. I would have thought the power spreading throughout the multiverse would have made you a better
fight. (she blinks over and picks up Satnak by the head)
Satnak breaks out of her ruse. Her arm forms again into the Arm of Broken Dreams, and
she jabs it into Alt-Satnak.
Satnak: NOBODY RUINS MY PARTY!
Nothing happens. The arm starts to smoke, then falls off, leaving Satnak’s living arm
intact.
Alt-Satnak: :devil: Foolish mortal. (she throws Satnak
hard against the deck, then stomps on her neck) That beam gave you an…infusion of……deific power. Your own
arm………(her brows screws up in concentration)
Silver, Crow, and 13 engage in a flurry of whispering.
Satnak (trying to gasp past the foot on her throat): I’ve just made *gasp* Breaker
Prime! (grasps Alt-Satnak’s foot and begins to lift)
And…I…will…not…be…the…one…broken!
Satnak tosses Alt-Satank off, but Alt-Satnak lands far up
on the deck without any effort.
Alt-Satnak: And here I thought this wasn’t going to be a fun fight. BRING IT!
Satnak gets up to charge. But time slows around her until it is still. The only thing
still able to move is Crow.
Satnak gives them a “You’re ruining my fun!” glare.
Crow: Wait, you’ll thank me for this.……Or at least not kill me as fast.
Satnak: How are you doing this?
Crow: You’re in a situation where the actions you’ve chosen will kill you, and there’s nothing you can do about it.
Satnak: I don’t have time for your “I don’t think you’re capable of this because I
think I know better” sh*t.
Crow: Fine. Your choices are: you can die from being destroyed or die from the overload your brain receives when
you destroy Alt-Satnak and the power she’s been accumulating by destroying all of the
yous throughout the multiverse pours into you thus giving you basically unlimited power but by the laws of power
proportionality reducing your self-awareness and other nice mental traits to below minimum existence standards.
Satnak: :confused:…Say that in language my kind of people can understand.
Crow: She’s been killing Alt-Satnaks. Every time she does this the power spreads out
among all the rest that exist. So if you kill her all that power flows into you. And as far as I know the more
powerful a being is the stupider they are……and to anticipate your question, I don’t know why that is.
Satnak looks back over at Alt-Satnak, still frozen in the
moment.
Satnak: *snort* I can take her.
Crow: I’m just urging you to use what you have and she doesn’t: your brains.
Satnak: (sarcastic) Well thank you —, (normal voice) but—
But just then time springs back into place, and Satnak only narrowly deflects
Alt-Satank’s blast.
Someplace in the Forest of contrived plot devices [form the forest of death… that changed the name when it was found
out that not one has ever died there]
P/Y/R: So why do you think it’s called Forest of contrived plot devices…
OoChrys [the voice of the author of this post.]: because the forest was nameless and it’s where I’m having you guys
find for way down in to the Depths of Khyber.
P/Y/R: oh? Where would that be?
OoChrys: Oh it over by that pile of rocks right next to lightning bolted tree.
P/Y/R: Thanks… see I told you it would work.
Beryl: Good Now lets get going, I want to get this done with soon.
Chibi-Balor: How does that even work? What about the Fourth Wall? And why is my Mistress now in such a rush.
OoChrys: Well I want to hurry this part of the story line along to I’m helping you out… instead of write a post on
how you spent day a fruitless searching only to stumble a group of gatekeepers whom you some how manage to con in to
telling you where the entrance is. Second the 4th wall was broken a long time a go.
Beryl is in a rush because she wants to go back to the ship and deal with Neo Tifa… who
turns out to be one of the chaotic good outsiders. And Lastly I’ll have Hordes of the Abyss in a few day, so if you
don’t stop asking questions I’ll replace you Flaming Red *ss.
Terra: Okay, almost ready for the wedding!
Ismael Jr: *through gag* Mmmmmph mmmm mmmmph.
Lisa: Terra, what are you doing?
Terra: Oh, I kidnapped Sakura's boyfriend and am holding him hostage so I can curse him
to fall in love with ME!
Lisa: Terra, you don't even like boys.
Terra: No but I like Sakura even less. I'm really not looking forward to the part where
I merge with some horrible outer demon thingy and have to be destroyed.
Lisa: Don't worry, its the American Dubbed version. You only get blasted into another
dimension.
Sakura: COSMIC! MOON PRISM! FLUFFY BUNNY! ULTRA! SNUGGLE! LOVE! HEALING!
Terra: Oh no! It's the ultimate attack!
- Sakura gently taps Terra on the head while there's a lot of cherry blossoms and
flashing lights that make people who see it go into seizures*
Terra: GAH!
Sakura: Now You've been restored to being my mom!
Terra: WHAT!?
Aerith: Oh, I switched our roles in the storyline with a diversion spell. I was
originally supposed to be the bad guy.
Sakura: Ooops!
Terra: GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Lisa: There's something I need to tell you about Terra.
Terra: You all. Out.
- they reluctantly comply*
Lisa: I never told you about my family.
Terra: You mentioned they were royalty.
Lisa: My mother is the Queen.
Terra: *choke* *blink*
Lisa: When the kingdom was overthrown by the Church, the King was killed for his
continued faith in the Sovereign Host though the Church denies this. My mother I've only met a few times but she
insisted I was her heir despite the fact I don't believe in monarchies....
Terra: So you're the Crown Princess?
Lisa: No, because I know who my real father is. The Queen made an escape from the palace
to bargain her freedom, Cardinal Kronzen....approached her and made her an offer.
- she pauses*
Lisa: I was a product of that union.
Terra: Oh dear.
Lisa: Kronzen didn't want it to be known he'd violated his oaths of chastity though so he
had me shuffled away to the nunnery to be raised a swordswoman. He visited me several times and....
- she shuddered at some memory*
Terra: I see and...
Lisa: No, its.....well its traditional family is invited so I sent them invitations.
Terra: Oh you POOR POOR Lawful Stupid....
- she stared in horror*
Allen discretely adds two packages to the large pile. One says "Open today," the other says "Open Dol-Dormas." He
then bumps into Liam. "Ah, you're the vampire on board, correct? Would you mind if I asked you a few questions?" Liam inquired of the
undead one, pulling out a sheet of paper and a pen to write down the answers. "Certainly, I wouldn't mind it at all." Allen replies. "Do you have any kind of relationship with Andrea, or any other member of this crew?"
Liam asks. "No, besides Ketler being my rival. Although I'm thinking about getting out of this
Artificer thing, and going for something else, so I can get more screen time. These days, being a centuries old
vampire who can make weapons of mass destruction just isn't enough. I'm thinking about going into publicity, and
work on getting this ship declared it's own country." Allen replies. "Interesting... What initially brought you to this ship?" "Hm.... It was the best place to hide out at and get the various ingredients I needed for my inventions." "I heard you left for the new continent once. Why did you leave, and what was it like?" "Ah, it was like all this anime stuff floating around now. All of the girls were almost impossibly good-looking,
there were giant swords, ninjas, and ancient ruins that had only existed for a few days. I left because of all of
the chaos and havoc here. I also felt underappreciated somewhat, because whenever someone needed something, they
would always go to Ketler instead of me. But then somehow I ended up back here." "Thank you very much. It's been a pleasure conversing with you." "Me too. Me too." And thusly the interview ended, with Allen going off to get some food before all of it was eaten.
Satnak - Jeeze your worse than illis kid.
Alt -S - Huh?
Satnak - *breaker linear* (note they aren't calling attacks I just like naming things) The soulmelds on Satnak's back luaches hundreds of writhing wires that slip through and
around the mental shields of the Alt
Alt_S - Gah!! *port* Jeeze that looked like something out of a perv's comic stash. Glad I'm not wearing a uniform.
Satnak - That was a wire attack your one with her brain in
Ketler's gutter.
Alt_S - Die. *double dios column* A massive pillar of energy desdends from each hand.
Satnak - (ihh: Power at the pricee of brains huh? hehehe Traveller Your gonna be so
proud of me. :schemes: ) Satnak back and rebounds at Alt_S, Blinking out at the last second seh rematerializes
behind Alt_S and Begins grappling.
Levy - Now you know why I hate that shirt.
A viscious brawl ensues, Satnak seems to have an edge in close combat. Possibly due to
the spiked armor.
Satnak - Hey guess what ***** you've been disrmed.
Alt_S - Huh? I use my fiiiiiiiiiiii(ripcrunch)eeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiists You rutting **** ***** my arm. MY arrrrrm :schemes:
- port*
Satnak rushes back to the gifts and grabs the gem Sa'vor
made.
Satnak - This is either gonna work really well or we're gonna be cleaning pices of
Satnak outta the hull for weeks... wait thats gonna happen either way.
Terra where is your latest batch of full concentration booster. I need a vial of the
earlier versions as well.
Terra - The early stuff will smash you, and the new stuff isn't that much safer.
Satnak - Now please, explain later.
Terra - Here the blue cap is the new ver.
Satnak - Keep the hard hats on.
Satnak - Ok This crystal is supposed to triple my output, the potions are trait
amplifiers but will mess me a bit after they run their course. So .(Alt_S ports in). gah
Alt_S - Not so fast I got your arm now *****. Alt_S has attached the arm of broken Dreams to her bloody shoulder.
Satnak - Who cares I got ... these?!?
Alt_S - Apperently I'm faster.
Satnak - Aww Bloody Mol.
Alt_S Consumes both potions and activates the crystal.
Alt_S - I AM ALL POWERFUL.
Satnak - Goodbye.
Alt_S - WhaaH?
Satnak - *disruption claw* Satnaks Meld claws crackle with disruptive energy, she plunges her hands into Alt_S's
Aura and tears holes in her energy flow.
Alt_S - WhaaaaT?
Satnak - You just got broke *****. With such a massive and sudden out put increase you
have to carefully control your energy flows or it will consuume you. Toss in the fact that the 2nd potion and the
arm further disrupt your mental control structures, and my own use of a breaker technique on your flow patterns. You
have about 3 seconds of existance left. Bye *blinks out*
Alt_S - REALLY BIG MOTHER FSCKING BOOM
Terra: We are so not letting you do the service.
Volrath: Awwww...why not?
Terra: Because I know what happens when you read to people from your books.
Volrath: *pouts*
Terra: There is something I thought I should tell you though.
Volrath: By the tone of your voice, I'm not going to like it...
Terra: That is a possibility. We have agreed to have the wedding under the auspices of
the Church of the Silver Flame.
Volrath: :blink: :eek: :shocked: :ghosted: *falls flat on his face*
Terra: Wow. He took it better than I expected.
(several hours later)
Volrath: *wakes up slowly* Ugh...what hit me?
Terra: Oh, good. You're awake.
Volrath: I could've sworn you told me you were being married under the Silver Flame...
Terra: I did.
Volrath: :88E: Cool Cthulhu :pumpkin: :behold:
(after several more tries, about 3 days later)
Volrath: Ok, ok. I think I'm ok now. So you are telling me...
Terra: Uh-huh...
Volrath: ...that you two...
Terra: Yeah...
Volrath: ...are getting married within the Church of the Silver Flame.
Terra: Exactly.
Volrath: :twitch:
Volrath: :twitch: *hyperventilating slightly* Ok, so...are you going to clue me in as
to WHY?!
Terra: Yeah. But you need to calm down first.
Volrath: :twitch: *trying to fake it and failing miserably* I CALM! I'M TOTALLY CALM!
I'VE NEVER BEEN MORE CALM IN ALL MY LIFE!
Terra: *sets her hands on his shoulders* Ok...breathe...in...out...
Volrath: *deep breaths* Ok...ok...calm thoughts...there's a good reason...keep
breathing...
Terra: Ok. As you know, I'm not really devoted to any one diety. So the choice was
between a secular wedding, a Druidic wedding, or a Silver Flame wedding. We opted to combine the last two.
Volrath: Really? How does that work? Would the SF even allow it?
Terra: You bet they will. We have the Keeper of the Flame, the esteemed daughter of the
Captain, presiding.
Volrath: But you hate her...
Terra: That was the anime thing. Now that it's over with, I have nothing against her.
Volrath: Oh. But won't the rest of the Church object? What about
Lisa's family?
Terra: That's not much of an issue. They wouldn't dare move against us or the pontiff.
If they do, they'll have a major PR nightmare to deal with in regards to Jaela/Sakura and a major pillaging
nightmare as far as we're concerned.
Volrath: That...is true. Still, you know how I feel about the Silver Flame...
Terra: You have yet to learn to distinguish between the Silver Flame as a belief and the
Silver Flame as a church. The teachings themselves are wonderful. What happened to your family would never have been
seen as good or righteous if those people were true to the spirit of their faith.
Volrath: But you're associating with the same type of people...
Terra: You have seen what Lisa is like now. That is what a
true member of the Church of the Silver Flame should act like. Jaela/Sakura looks up to her as a role model. They
are devoted to their faith and not to the dogma of corrupt religious leaders.
Volrath: *a deep sadness crosses his face* I...I don't know if I'll ever be able to
see them like that completely. How can I ever forgive what the inquisitors did?
Terra: Forgiving them is not a requirement. What they did in no way deserves
forgiveness. But you also can't continue to blame others just because of what they believe. Most SF worshippers were
and still are ignorant of the true horrors that have been perpetrated in the name of their faith. All they hear is
the glossed over version from the clergy that twist it into a righteous deed. Even most of the clergy have been fed
a load of bull.
Volrath: How do you know that for certain?
Terra: You should know the answer to that question.
Volrath: Then why haven't you done anything?!
Terra: What could I do? I have no proof that people will accept. This is a matter of
propaganda. The deceit goes deep and is beyond my power to expose. Who would believe me even if I had solid,
irrefutable proof? One word from the higher ups and I'm discredited. That is why people such as
Lisa are so important. She has been blasphemed so often, the typical SF worshipper sees
her as a demon. What happens when they see her continuing to wield the power of a Paladin of the Silver Flame?
Volrath: Nothing. Like you said, she's discredited.
Terra: Not entirely. I have no connection to the SF. She gains her powers directly from
it's blessing. How could one so defamed by the clergy, deemed so evil by the Church leadership, still receive the
Flame's blessing? This little discrepancy has the potential to change everything. Change will not happen quickly,
but it starts one question at a time.
Volrath: So you're using her?
Terra: Not in the least. She is aware of this as well. Lisa
is a Paladin sworn to uphold the teachings of the Silver Flame, not the clergy. When I described why I do what I do
with the underground, it gave her an idea for how to effect change for the better in her faith.
Volrath: *thinks for a moment* If she were to try and remove the corruption by force,
it would solve nothing, and probably even exacerbate the problem. :thinks: :lightbulb So it was her idea to go for
a more long term solution?
Terra: She amazed even me. Such a ripple will probably not effect much in her lifetime,
but it will eventually become a wave. In time, the Silver Flame may return to the path Tira Mirron intended.
Volrath: The most obvious solution is not really a solution...the best one leaves many
to suffer in the meantime, but can institute genuine reform... It would take a great deal of wisdom and conviction
to follow such a difficult path. I didn't think it was even possible for humans to think in such terms.
Terra: Two of the many reasons I love, admire, and respect her.
Volrath: You support her because you believe in her... She remains with a corrupted
faith because she hopes to heal it...
He pauses in thought for a while, then smiles a bit.
Volrath: I can live with that...
Satnak - Mol I'm stiff.
Levy - You look like hell froze and warmed over.
Satnak - I'm gonna just lie here for a few years.
Levy - Oh no your getting to your bed whether you like it or not. Lift
Satnak - Owowowowowowowowow! Thats were you kicked me watch it. OWow your doing it on
purpose now.
Levy - :D
Satnak - So tired....[SIZE=2]asleep in her arms[/SIZE]...[SIZE=1]i love you
Levy[/SIZE]...[SIZE=2]zzz[/SIZE]
Terra: Crap. She finally says something, then falls asleep.
Lisa: Oh, my this is akward.
Levy: Still waiting...
Terra: Well, uh...it's just like she said. Satnak's...in love with you.
Levy: :mymy:
Lisa: She's been trying to work up the nerve to tell you since before you got here. She even came to us for help in trying to figure out how to tell you.
Levy - Dammit girl. First Forbes and now Satnak. Is there a
right way to deal with this. Gods I love em both to death, but I don't know if I'm even capable of the kind of love
they both have for me. What happened to my friends dammit. :weep:
Lisa - :confused: what do we do?
Terra - I don't know that there's all that much we ca... :eek: they grew up!
Lisa - Huh?
Levy - Whhat?
Terra - Your friends grew up, they started becoming adults. You may be right about your childhood stunting your emotional growth.
Admiral Jarlot: So we're having a wedding for a bunch of flamers?
Captain Jarlot: Just let it go Dad.
Kanatash: Oh, dear. It seems Satnak is out of it. I suppose she'll have to wait now
till to tomorow now to open my present. (turn to Caralot) Oh well, I suppose that
means you and I have some time on our hands. Why don't we go explore that new portal I created for you.
Caralot: Maybe we can "explore" a few other things while we're at it. (raunchy smile)
Kanatash: Do you think of nothing else woman? (chuckling) Ah well, I suppose that's one more thing I love about you.
Let's go.
Rixle - I hope Krozan puts up a fight.
Telfon - Why?
Rixle - :fight!: :pint: I want to pillage something.
Telfon - And you say I'm obsessed. :rolleyes:
Rixle - Give me back my boots dammit.
Telfon - Krozan... Isn't that crazy old gardener from the east greenhouse named Krozan?
Rixle - I think I may have an Idea. :D
Telfon - No bad half-drow, I do the thinking, ever since the incident with Fluffy and the popcorn, but I like where
this is going. :D
Satnak - Oi i hate sick leave :mad:
Kithle - I see no reason to let a few broken bones stop this party. That and I fear
Levy, Anyone Satnak has to out manuever is bad news.
SC Commander - Squeak Chirrup
Kithle - The sooner she opens the gifts the sooner you can take off the Waiter outfits.
Pack Master Starts piling the gifts on a sled.
Silver: And here I thought I was the one who thought about :pile: :w00t: :cloud9: constantly.
Crow: We're too powerful. They have to be creative because they don't have the power to just create the situaitons
that they want. Why do you think i take notes all the time?
Silver: *sigh* I guess you're right. Anyway, I'm going to go through that portal and see what kind of havoc I can
wreak.
Back on the Ship, Chibi-Marilith is bossing some of the read shirts around… when a portal up and
Beryl, P/Y/R, Acanthi… and Chibi-Balor loaded down with a crap load of shopping bags.
Chibi-Marilith: Mistress! Did every thing go according to plan?
Beryl: Yes…
P/Y/R [grabbing a couple boxes from Chibi-Balor]: Hey I’m going to give Volrath his
gift now. Hey Acanthi want a tour of the ship until we get Volrath’s room.
Acanthi: Ok sure.
- * *
P/Y/R enters Volrath’s room to see him with Terra.
Volrath: P/Y/R I’m glad you back…What are you looking for?
P/Y/R: I was hoping you would still be bishie… Hi Terra.
Terra: Hello P/Y/R
P/Y/R: Congratulation, can I be a brides maid? Look it dear I brought you a gift.
He opens it to find a tentacled worm like best.
P/y/R: It’s a Neo-Lith… Mind flayer thingy.
Volrath: I know but why is it chibi?
P/Y/R: So I could fit it in the box. Oh you don’t have to worry it can’t go crazy or anything I used a new spell I
came up with after I killed that ****r-thing.
Terra: Wait you killed a Daelkyr.
P/Y/R: Yeah We had to break in to one of their prisons to get down in to Khyber, so mommy could drain the power from
cat lady. Any way it thank us for freeing it and then it wanted to play with me, So I told him I all ready had a
playmate and showed it my sensory stone… you know the one with me in Lisa’s form in the
maid outfit and feather duster made out of angel feathers, after that he kinda broke… fell down twitching and
foaming at the mouth, then I picked up a stick and poked him to death. Speaking of that do you know what I can do
with it body?
[I’ll leave Terra’s reaction to that for some one else]
- * *
Chibi-Marilith: So did you drain the Rajah.
Beryl: Yep.
Chibi-Marilith: So are you going to tell me what happened?
Beryl: Nope.
Chibi-Marilith: Why?
OoChrys: because I have through of a way to put it in to words yet.
Chibi-Balor: Wait! How come I get a death threat when I ask questions… and I thought you said the last time was
going to be a one time thing.
OoChrys: Because I like Mariliths a crap load better then Balors, and you can just shut up about the other!
Terra: You really like disturbing me with these images, don't you?
P/Y/R: :D It's all in good fun.
Terra: *sigh* Still, I see she was successful in draining the Rajah.
Volrath: You knew? And you didn't try to stop her?
Terra: If she was a genuine threat, I would have. But Rajah's and the like really arent
that much of a danger to me anymore.
P/Y/R: :confused: Uh...why?
Terra: :P I'm not telling you. Terra: P/Y/R you realize that this dealkyr was probably related to
Volrath, right? P/Y/R: I didn't :weep: Volrath: It's okay,cupcake, I never really like cousin Hurley anyway. (turning to
Terra) To get the reform you want, you and Lisa will have to
decieve the worshippers of the Silver Flame too. Terra: Why do you say that? Volrath: Even heratics can caster spell and weild power of any god in Eberron. All
they have to do is chant the magic words that the church teaches, and believe you are doing the god's will. Our gods
aren't nearly as active in the lives of their worshippers as other cosmos' gods are. Most people don't know this
they think the god themself gives the spell, not ones belief in it. Also you will never succeed in reforming the church in Lisa's life time, if the cardinals
live. She will start it, but will be branded a heratic. If she is successful she will fill the hearts of those who
will replace the cardinals with faith. This faith will then come to the church when they take over. No true reform
will come unless the cardinals die. You can start a peaceful reform. I'll start a more drastic one. :schemes: OOC: Have no idea what Terra's reaction would be someone fill in the gap. P/Y/R: :waits: Volrath: Oh yes, Terra, could you please leave the room.
Unless of course you would like to join in on the "welcome home". :D
Terra quickly gets up and leaves the room.
Terra: I realize it will not be easy. I never said change would come quickly. And I never said this was the extent of what we were going to do. Killing the cardinals would not solve anything. Did you learn nothing from the incident with 13? Simplistic, drastic solutions lead to tragic results. If you're serious about stopping others from becoming victims like your family, you should realize what effect a drastic/violent "solution" would have. More purges, further concentration of power in the hands of a few corrupt bastards, and a great deal of fear and panic. How exactly does this accomplish your goal?
Volrath: But I'm removing those who block reform!
Terra: I know how these things work. Remove the head of the beast, and it grows a new one. Often times, it is worse than the old one. If you kill the cardinals, you will throw the Church into chaos. From it will emerge leaders even more hardline and corrupt than before, simply because that is what it would take to survive leadership. You will have solved nothing, and even made things that much harder to really fix.
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